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Old 07-16-2019, 11:20 AM   #21
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I didn't even know this was a thing. I know my sister had issues with her transmission in a 2012 sedan that she gave up trying to resolve and eventually pawned off the car to our grandparents. Grandparents got rid of their 2006 Focus with no real issues to get the "nicer" new car.
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I wonder if this article could result in the NTSB taking another look at this to see if a recall should have been issued. One of the failures I experienced was the TCM shutting things down while I was driving and the engine shut off as I was approaching an intersection. Based on the article, this mode of failure is considered severe. Others have reported total loss off power when launching due to the car not wanting to go into gear and then the car launching suddenly which also sounds dangerous.

All of the information that was uncovered about Ford knowing about the problems before they delivered the cars to be sold makes them look very bad so they may have to do more than what they agreed to with the extended warranties (14M01/14M02). My car is out of the 14M01 warranty period and I've had 3 clutches and 1 TCM replacement.

You have to wonder what a recall remedy would look like since a replacement would just be another DCT presumably.
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The trans just went out on my 2012 Focus. It was kicking out the error code P0606. I took it to my local Ford dealership. They just called me today to tell me it is gonna cost me over $5,000 to replace the transmission. I am NOT happy.
The car is not worth $5,000 take it somewhere else or just let it burn it's life is up.

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Old 07-16-2019, 08:36 PM   #24
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The trans just went out on my 2012 Focus. It was kicking out the error code P0606. I took it to my local Ford dealership. They just called me today to tell me it is gonna cost me over $5,000 to replace the transmission. I am NOT happy.
Don't blame you. I'm almost in the same boat with my 2012. couple of times no trans. Then with a battery disconnect, everything fine. I know I'm gonna pay sooner or later.
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I wonder if this article could result in the NTSB taking another look at this to see if a recall should have been issued. One of the failures I experienced was the TCM shutting things down while I was driving and the engine shut off as I was approaching an intersection. Based on the article, this mode of failure is considered severe. Others have reported total loss off power when launching due to the car not wanting to go into gear and then the car launching suddenly which also sounds dangerous.

All of the information that was uncovered about Ford knowing about the problems before they delivered the cars to be sold makes them look very bad so they may have to do more than what they agreed to with the extended warranties (14M01/14M02). My car is out of the 14M01 warranty period and I've had 3 clutches and 1 TCM replacement.

You have to wonder what a recall remedy would look like since a replacement would just be another DCT presumably.




When my TCM failed I was just exiting the freeway, so I don’t know if I just got lucky or if the reduced speed it what triggered it? However my symptoms were that the car just would drive out of 1st gear & all of my warning lights came on. Then when I pulled off into a parking lot, I had lost reverse & the car wouldn’t start again because it kept saying ‘car in gear’ or something like that, so I was pretty much stranded at that point.

I often think back to if that would’ve happened at freeway speeds & if I would’ve been able to get the car onto the right shoulder without causing a horrible accident & I guess it’s always in the back of my mind that it could happen again.



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NBC News also ran an article on their 6:30 pm news slot about the Fiesta / Focus / DCT mess. There was a very brief shot of an internal email saying the DCT was not fit for purpose prior to it be launched in the Focus.

We just had the clutch packs replaced at 55K under warranty. Runs super smooth now and they seem to have adjusted the shift points. It used to be up and down the gears like a fiddlers elbow, but seems to hold in one gear rather than shift down. It will still be gone by year end though, very poor design. For my money it has to be something to do with heat in the clutches. With that said though I don't know why new clutch packs will give super smooth shifts and likely start to shudder again after some miles have been driven. Maybe there is some coating on the clutch faces that wears away? or wear tolerances on the clutch packs that cause a return to shudder.
If they could fix it they would have done by now and yes they must have known this design was crap before launch. There must be more than enough computing power in Ford to have thoroughly simulated every driving condition during the design and there's real world track testing. They must have known.
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Old 07-17-2019, 01:55 PM   #27
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Personally I'd take the hit and sell any DCT-equipped Focus and settle for a nice used import compact, rather then deal with the innumerable clutch pack fixes. As a forum user did say, a sales rep told him/her to "fix it and sell it" after all
Except that no more than ever the value of the car is in the gutter. And a lot of people can't just afford to "take the hit".

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You have to wonder what a recall remedy would look like since a replacement would just be another DCT presumably.
They wouldn't be allowed to do that. Not exactly, anyway. If an NHTSA investigation were to determine that the DPS6 was defective, then Ford would have to demonstrate that they'd fixed the defect before being allowed to put the same thing (with updates) into the car as a replacement.

In this case - where it's clear that they've been trying to fix it for years now - there's no way they'd be allowed to replace the DPS6 with the same thing. They can't use a manual gearbox, either, which would leave a hydraulic auto. So yay!

But hold on. They can't do that. We were sold an "automatic" with certain features, not the least of which was improved performance and better fuel economy. Unless they can demonstrate that the replacement slushbox is reasonably similar to the DCT it's replacing, they can't do that, either.

So what we're left with is a situation similar to what the NHTSA went through with Fiat Chrysler 4 years ago...a total buyback: https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...alls/30730931/

Maybe. I'm not expert. That's all just my thought process. I suspect the NHTSA is hesitant to go after another car company to force buybacks.
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:24 PM   #28
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So what we're left with is a situation similar to what the NHTSA went through with Fiat Chrysler 4 years ago...a total buyback: https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...alls/30730931/

Maybe. I'm not expert. That's all just my thought process. I suspect the NHTSA is hesitant to go after another car company to force buybacks.
Interesting possibility but the fact that due to the DCT issue causing the market value of these cars being in the gutter, you have to wonder how they would establish the buyback price. In the Chrysler case, they used book value plus 10 percent. I'm thinking we wouldn't fare too well with this approach due to the depressed value.

Maybe a fairer approach would be to use the book value of a similar vehicle that was not plagued with the DCT problems such as a Mazda 3, then add 10% to that book value for the inconvenience factor. Then you have to ask how they would compensate those who spent a lot of money on customizations/improvements.
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Hypothetically, what if Ford was forced to offer buybacks. How soon would that happen? Just curious, because an ST had been on my mind, but maybe I should keep this DCT until this runs its course.



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Would this exclude those who tried aftermarket fixes to the DCT like a Tom's Tune or would this buyback be available to all original buyers or even ones that bought the car used?
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