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Old 03-06-2019, 11:44 AM   #1
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Aftermarket Clutch for DCT DPS6?

Been considering shelling out for a clutch replacement.

Searching to see if theres better clutch kits for the DCT other than OEM that are more durable and doesn’t blow up like OEM.

Happen to run across this clutch made by Luk https://www.repxpert.com/en/inform/b...detail_ds13376


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Old 03-06-2019, 12:23 PM   #2
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I was under the impression that the PowerShift gearbox was a joint venture between Ford, Volvo, Getrag, and LuK...but maybe that's just the wet version that Volvo uses and the dry is only Ford and Getrag.

Still, I'm not convinced the parts themselves are actually faulty. If you have the latest revision of everything (seals, clutches, TCM), it's just a crappy implementation that can only be fixed by driving behavior and (maybe) a tune. See the third post in this thread: https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...l#post11343959

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Old 03-07-2019, 10:12 AM   #3
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The main cause of failure of these clutches is not the clutches themselves but rather the seals in the transmission that leak oil into the dry clutch housing resulting in the clutch being contaminated. So, even if you find a better clutch to install, you would likely end up with the same problem.
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Old 03-07-2019, 10:36 AM   #4
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Forgive the double post. This site has some issues with commits and slow load times.
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Old 03-07-2019, 10:45 AM   #5
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The main cause of failure of these clutches is not the clutches themselves but rather the seals in the transmission that leak oil into the dry clutch housing resulting in the clutch being contaminated. So, even if you find a better clutch to install, you would likely end up with the same problem.
That's one of the issues, sure. In the post that I linked to above, the issues are summarized based on an explanation provided by Ford Australia. They are:

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  1. Defective or poorly-designed seals on the gearbox allowed oil to contaminate the clutches, presenting as a "shudder". This is fixed with an updated seal and because the clutches are contaminated, they're replaced at the same time.
  2. Clutches made of a material that was either defective or inadequate for the job as it relates to heat transfer, resulting in "dry shudder". This is what you'd see in hot weather and/or during "urban" driving comprised of stop-and-go traffic, and why they replace the clutches even without oil contamination.
  3. Though technically unrelated to the DCT itself, cracks in the actual TCM or its solder causing communication delays (100ms+) that resulted in slow or jerky shifting. A revised TCM resolves this issue.
I'm certainly not one to give Ford the benefit of the doubt, but I do think they've addressed the problems above.

Of course, that doesn't address the software; a DCT isn't a slushbox and no amount of programming is going to make it act like one without doing major damage.

And the truth is that it's just a bad design all around. Unlike a drive-by-wire system that would relay the signal that you want to accelerate to the Body Control Module (BCM) - which would in turn determine the throttle response and gear combination for the transmission to use - the DCT (via TCM) simply receives a signal from the pedal and is allowed to make its own (relatively uninformed) decision. Depending on a person's driving habits, this leads to slow release of the clutch (delayed response / hesitation) or a quick release (rough shift / jerking). Combine this poor design with the defective parts listed above and you've got the dumpster fire that is the DPS6.

All that said - and while I don't agree that you should have to drive the car differently than you would if it had a hydraulic auto, since Ford in fact marketed it as an auto - being "intentional" in your driving (avoid creeping in slow traffic and be consistent with your throttle) will certainly help with the performance and should improve longevity of the components, especially if you have the newest revisions of the seal, clutch pack, and TCM. Tom's tune may or may not help with the software. I personally drive in Sport mode a lot of the time, especially in traffic, since it changes the shift points resulting in fewer shifting attempts (and it's more fun, fuel economy be damned).

Now, as it pertains to the original purpose of this thread: I agree that a different clutch pack isn't going to solve any problems if you have already had your clutch pack replaced. If you're out of warranty and want to try something different, sure, go ahead. Will it magically make the DPS6 reliable? Doubtful.

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Old 03-08-2019, 09:00 PM   #6
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How much is it for that aftermarket clutch pack? And how much for the Tool kit to put it in?
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:14 AM   #7
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I actually tried to see if anyone was willing to make a performance dual-clutch for our car. South-Bend clutches said it's too much hassle...The closest I got was Clutchmasters saying they would order a OEM clutch and see if they could modify it to make it stronger. A couple months past and I asked them for an update. They said since demand wasn't as much as they were expecting they decided it was not worth it to have them to see if they can make a aftermarket solution till they see a higher demand. Haven't heard from them in about a year now lol.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:06 PM   #8
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I actually tried to see if anyone was willing to make a performance dual-clutch for our car. South-Bend clutches said it's too much hassle...The closest I got was Clutchmasters saying they would order a OEM clutch and see if they could modify it to make it stronger. A couple months past and I asked them for an update. They said since demand wasn't as much as they were expecting they decided it was not worth it to have them to see if they can make a aftermarket solution till they see a higher demand. Haven't heard from them in about a year now lol.
The other thing is that even if you had an aftermarket clutch to install, you can't complete the install without the proprietary Ford scan tool that the dealers use. After getting everything buttoned up, you have to use the tool to take the new clutch and motors through the learn process that establishes all of the touch points. At best, maybe you could get it all installed and limp to the dealer to have that done but that could be a bit sketchy, not something I would want to do.
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:03 PM   #9
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Um...I just did this with forscan the other day.....
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:36 PM   #10
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Um...I just did this with forscan the other day.....
That's good to know. I wasn't aware that Forscan had that capability.
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