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Old 03-15-2019, 09:04 AM   #11
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Um...I just did this with forscan the other day.....
Could you elaborate a little on the process. Is it a straightforward task?
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Could you elaborate a little on the process. Is it a straightforward task?
Take a look HERE.

My question is whether anyone has come up with any improvised tools to do the clutch replacement. In particular, some of the seal drivers look to be important in that you have to drive the inner input shaft seal to a specific depth so that requires a pretty job specific tool or some type of workaround.
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Take a look HERE.

My question is whether anyone has come up with any improvised tools to do the clutch replacement. In particular, some of the seal drivers look to be important in that you have to drive the inner input shaft seal to a specific depth so that requires a pretty job specific tool or some type of workaround.
Thanks for the link.

Here is a video that shows a garage mechanic who made his own tools for replacement.

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Perfect, exactly what I was looking for. I noticed that he didn't go the Forscan route (perhaps he didn't know about it) and had a Ford mobile tech come do the IDS relearn for $175. Using his homemade tools and Forscan could get you a new clutch, installed (DIY) for around $400.
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Interesting that the first post on that Forscan topic says that relearning needs to be performed after reflashing the TCM.

Does that include after flashing tunes? I have not done this and thus far haven't had an issue. I was asked to drive my car for 50 miles before recording any logs for fine tuning, so perhaps there is a certain amount of relearning that goes on automatically??
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Interesting that the first post on that Forscan topic says that relearning needs to be performed after reflashing the TCM.

Does that include after flashing tunes? I have not done this and thus far haven't had an issue. I was asked to drive my car for 50 miles before recording any logs for fine tuning, so perhaps there is a certain amount of relearning that goes on automatically??
I've never heard of it being needed after flashing tunes. It may be needed after a TCM reprogram because that probably starts with all stock values and the clutch touch points may be stored in the TCM so it needs to be initialized. I thought it was interesting that it implies that the procedure could help to get rid of shudder in some cases so it would be good to try it before you resort to a clutch change if you don't see any oil leaking out of the bottom of the bell housing. Plus it would be good to know that you can successfully do it before you start the process of installing new clutch. There is also some adaptive learning that happens over the course of driving where it adjusts to your particular driving style to optimize the shifting.
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Old 03-21-2019, 07:18 AM   #17
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Doing the relearn seems to make it chill the f*** out about a 30 min drive afterward.

Along with learning the clutch touch points it resets the learned habits picked up from the driver, ie driving it like a heathen, driving it like a granny, driving it like an auto (don't creep in traffic, and drive with meaning/drive it like a manual)

I run the relearn on mine when it gets bad, which is usually from me 'teaching it bad habits' from having to much fun. only ran it 4 times in the 6 months I've owned it.... i cant be entirely to blame right?!?!

I haven't really ran it since the latest TCM flash from the dealer that was somehow ~100 miles within extended warranty..... if anything i just run the adaptive reset procedure and bobs your uncle!

ford may have put either black magic or some voodoo in the latest TCM sw, haven't determined yet...

all of this is AFAIK, im still learning about this street legal go cart....
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:02 AM   #18
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Doing the relearn seems to make it chill the f*** out about a 30 min drive afterward.

Along with learning the clutch touch points it resets the learned habits picked up from the driver, ie driving it like a heathen, driving it like a granny, driving it like an auto (don't creep in traffic, and drive with meaning/drive it like a manual)....
Smalls89, a big shout out to you for cluing me into this capability of Forscan. Also to reverendhtc for the DIY clutch replacement video. I started making up the tool kit needed to do the clutch swap and I thought it would be a good idea to try out the adaptive relearn procedure in Forscan to see if it would improve performance without any parts and to see that it would work if I do the clutch. I tried it last night and followed the procedure outlined in the forum and it went exactly as described (including one "Engine Torque Disturbed" error which it said was to be expected). I drove it in to work this morning and there is a noticeable improvement so as Smalls89 says, doing this periodically could be the solution for many of those with subpar DCT performance.

I should also note that I also jacked up the car to look to see if there was any signs of oil leakage at the bellhousing/engine interface and it was dry as a bone. That's not to say that this is a sure sign of no seal leakage but that interface is not designed to be oil-tight because it is supposed to be dry in there.

So, one has to wonder if the clutch touch points get out of tune or some other aspect of the learned shifting algorithm gets out of whack as Smalls89 suggests. I noticed that after I had my purge valve recall work done, my shifting greatly improved so it makes me wonder if some reprogramming was done as part of that that affected the adaptive learning parameters. Then, over time I started feeling the 1-2 shudder starting to come back.

A couple things about running the Adaptive Learning procedure in Forscan are as follows:
1. If something goes wrong while certain portions of the relearn process are happening, you could brick your transmission so you want to minimize the chances of this happening. I made sure my fully charged laptop was also plugged into a power source and also attached a battery charger to my car to make sure the battery was fully charged before starting the process and left it on throughout the process. Here is the scan tool that I used - you need the "modified" type with the switch and the USB/wired type ones provide for a more reliable connection than Bluetooth and that is very important for the Adaptive Relearn function.

2. In the latter stages of the relearn, you have to start the car. I wasn't thinking when I started the process inside my garage so I had to put it in neutral and push it out to finish things up (you really don't want to start it up and put it in gear partway through the process). So, be smart and be prepared by having the vehicle outside before you begin.

3. Follow the directions in the Forscan forum thread and the on-screen instructions closely and you should be fine (do what it tells you to do and then hit the "Ok" button).

4. The whole process took me 15 minutes according to the log file but would have been about 12 minutes if I had started it outside the garage.
Getting back to the original post on this, the only two options I've found for clutches are the OEM Ford part and the LUK kit which can be had from RockAuto for about $350. If I have to replace the clutch, I'm leaning toward the LUK kit as it comes with new shift forks and the tower piece whereas all you get with the Ford part is the clutch itself. LUK looks to be a reputable manufacturer of clutches.
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addendum to the procedures that may not be clear

forscan will show a screen saying the next step is done at WOT (wide open throttle)
BEFORE you hit ok mat it to the floor! Because, as soon as you hit ok, it jumps into that section and may return false due to the engine rpm being on the up swing, floor it then hit ok
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addendum to the procedures that may not be clear

forscan will show a screen saying the next step is done at WOT (wide open throttle)
BEFORE you hit ok mat it to the floor! Because, as soon as you hit ok, it jumps into that section and may return false due to the engine rpm being on the up swing, floor it then hit ok
Good point. That's what I did and this goes for all the instructions it gives you. Do what it says, then hit "OK".
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