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Old 11-12-2018, 11:18 AM   #41
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Sticking the same trans that's in their other cars into the focus makes it easier and cheaper for the supply chain, plus something that's proven more reliable in the long run.
Yeah, I'm not quite sure what they were thinking. Not all DCTs are as bad as the DPS6, but the ones that don't suck are almost exclusively wet and not dry. A wet DCT isn't much (if any) more efficient than a modern hydraulic automatic on account of the fluid drag in the DCT and more gear ratios in the auto. They may be simpler and cheaper, but they're heavier and differences in performance are negligible in the vast majority of situations.

I would have loved for the DPS6 to have been a success, but the truth is that it was probably doomed from the beginning. It wasn't especially innovative, so there wasn't any industry-changing potential there. Simply put, there isn't any compelling reason to go with a DCT - wet or dry, DSG or DPS6 - over a slushbox in the overwhelming majority of situations (in a car, anyway). Traditional manual or a modern auto will do what 99% of consumers want.
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:41 AM   #42
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So I'm on my third clutchpack, which was great for a year and several months, and is now shuddering once again, worse than ever, even from 2nd to third (which it never did before). Two days ago, dry weather, 50-ish degrees, worst day ever. I drove it normally to and from work, doing one errand after work, shuddering the whole time, even getting some of the ratcheting noise I used to get. Next day, rain all day, same temperature 50-ish degrees, IT DROVE FINE. Smooth as silk. Granted, I didn't drive it the one errand extra, but come on. Why would it drive terribly on a cool, dry day as compared to a cool, wet one? This monster is driving me insane.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:31 AM   #43
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Yeah...there will be no MK4 in the foreseeable future. Got my hopes up and everything!
WTH! Seriously? Ahh crap:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ctive-dead-us/

This really suks. We love or Foci, my family has two of them. They are the perfect size for us and great on gas. I really did not want to move up to an SUV sized vehicle, even if it was just an Escape. Plus they cost more $$$.

Thanks for setting me straight :)
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:19 PM   #44
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The Mazda 3 wagon is a great alternative. I'm actually kicking myself in the ass for not getting that over the focus.
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The Mazda 3 wagon is a great alternative. I'm actually kicking myself in the ass for not getting that over the focus.
Yep, I had a 2010 Mazda3 hatch which I sold when I got the 2014 Focus. It was better in every way I can imagine (trim, style, fit and finish, little extras, materials, design, performance, made in Japan, etc) except fuel economy. Mazda had been working on their Skyactiv for years and so the engines they were throwing in these cars were old-school and pretty inefficient. It had a 2.5L I4 that got me only upper teens with winter gas.

The 2019 Mazda3 hatch looks almost exactly like the Kai concept and damn, that is a fine-looking car. Pricing should be in the same range as the Focus (SE-Titanium-ST). Better design and better tech for the same price? It's just as well that Ford has bowed out, as they couldn't have competed, anyway.
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Old 11-14-2018, 02:03 PM   #46
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The Mazda 3 wagon is a great alternative. I'm actually kicking myself in the ass for not getting that over the focus.
There's a Mazda 3 wagon available in the US? I can't find info about it.
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Old 11-14-2018, 02:45 PM   #47
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There's a Mazda 3 wagon available in the US? I can't find info about it.
I'm guessing they're using "wagon" to refer to "hatchback".

IIRC, there's always been a Mazda6 wagon (though not always in the US). I'd be all over this if it were here: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/th...america-please
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I'm guessing they're using "wagon" to refer to "hatchback".

IIRC, there's always been a Mazda6 wagon (though not always in the US). I'd be all over this if it were here: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/th...america-please
I'm right behind you. One of those in soul red metallic, please.

And thanks for the clarification about wagon/hatch.
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I'm right behind you. One of those in soul red metallic, please.

And thanks for the clarification about wagon/hatch.
Yea sorry, I meant hatchback. I'm slowly starting to differentiate wagon and hatches.
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Yep, I had a 2010 Mazda3 hatch which I sold when I got the 2014 Focus. It was better in every way I can imagine (trim, style, fit and finish, little extras, materials, design, performance, made in Japan, etc) except fuel economy. Mazda had been working on their Skyactiv for years and so the engines they were throwing in these cars were old-school and pretty inefficient. It had a 2.5L I4 that got me only upper teens with winter gas.

The 2019 Mazda3 hatch looks almost exactly like the Kai concept and damn, that is a fine-looking car. Pricing should be in the same range as the Focus (SE-Titanium-ST). Better design and better tech for the same price? It's just as well that Ford has bowed out, as they couldn't have competed, anyway.
I've looked at the Mazda 3's too, and it was the fuel eco that kept me away. And i just read an article describing the Skyactiv X engines that will be in the newer models... up to 40 mpg on the freeway... BUT, holy cow what a complicated engine management system. And its brand new tech. I like to keep cars well past the 100k mark, love going 5-6 years with no car payments :). But something tells me that these new engines might be hard to keep running smoothly in the long run. Great of you lease or swap out your car every 5 years and don't mind having a car payment for the rest of your life.

If I can keep my 2002 Focus (250k miles) on the road for a couple more years I'll probably end up with a used Escape.
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