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Old 01-30-2019, 10:36 AM   #611
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It is still being made in Germany and China because the market for sedans in Europe and Asia are still more profiteable I imagine.

I wonder had they produced the Mk. III Focus in the same quality as the Mk. II Focus they would have been able to sell more of them, given the 2008 MSRP was $14,755 and the 2012 MSRP being $16,500. People who buy the Focus are very price-conscious IMO.
How many of the Foci in Germany and China have manual transmissions? Maybe they avoided the bad rep that the DCT gave them over here in the US because they were mostly selling sticks?
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How many of the Foci in Germany and China have manual transmissions? Maybe they avoided the bad rep that the DCT gave them over here in the US because they were mostly selling sticks?
I don't know about Europe but for all the times I've been to China it seems that most of the Focuses are DCT-equipped, albeit a wet-DCT instead.

From what I know European and Asian market Focuses uses the wet-DCT transmission while our market here uses the dry-DCT. I think wet-DCTs are known for having to do regular fluid changes but do last longer while dry-DCTs are more mechanically simpler but wears out the clutch faster especially in heavy urban traffic.

Beats me why a DCT is used instead of a torque converter automatic or CVT for Ford...in the meantime, there is a really good post about the DCT here:

https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...ge=1&_k=q3j0y8

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I don't know about Europe but for all the times I've been to China it seems that most of the Focuses are DCT-equipped, albeit a wet-DCT instead.

From what I know European and Asian market Focuses uses the wet-DCT transmission while our market here uses the dry-DCT. I think wet-DCTs are known for having to do regular fluid changes but do last longer while dry-DCTs are more mechanically simpler but wears out the clutch faster especially in heavy urban traffic.

Beats me why a DCT is used instead of a torque converter automatic or CVT for Ford...in the meantime, there is a really good post about the DCT here:

https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...ge=1&_k=q3j0y8
Thanks for that info, I did not know that Focus's over there had wet DCT's. So someone at Ford looked at the dry vs wet DCT's and decided that oversees the dry DCT wouldn't cut it. I'd love to know what the tipping point was on that decision.

I also drive a 2002 Focus with a hydraulic auto... That car just passed 250k miles and it still drives great. The tradeoff... it only gets 26mpg whereas my 2015 averages 38. Plus the 2002 is significantly less fun to drive!

I've done a little work on the 2002's transmission too, so it hasn't been entirely maintenance free. A couple of the shift solenoids have went out, those were pretty cheap and easy to replace myself. Also had the high pressure line blow off its fitting one winter, sprayed all of the trans fluid down the road until it stopped pulling :). No harm though, new line and fluid and good as new :).
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I don't know about Europe but for all the times I've been to China it seems that most of the Focuses are DCT-equipped, albeit a wet-DCT instead.

From what I know European and Asian market Focuses uses the wet-DCT transmission while our market here uses the dry-DCT. I think wet-DCTs are known for having to do regular fluid changes but do last longer while dry-DCTs are more mechanically simpler but wears out the clutch faster especially in heavy urban traffic.

Beats me why a DCT is used instead of a torque converter automatic or CVT for Ford...in the meantime, there is a really good post about the DCT here:

https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...ge=1&_k=q3j0y8
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Thanks for that info, I did not know that Focus's over there had wet DCT's. So someone at Ford looked at the dry vs wet DCT's and decided that oversees the dry DCT wouldn't cut it. I'd love to know what the tipping point was on that decision.

I also drive a 2002 Focus with a hydraulic auto... That car just passed 250k miles and it still drives great. The tradeoff... it only gets 26mpg whereas my 2015 averages 38. Plus the 2002 is significantly less fun to drive!

I've done a little work on the 2002's transmission too, so it hasn't been entirely maintenance free. A couple of the shift solenoids have went out, those were pretty cheap and easy to replace myself. Also had the high pressure line blow off its fitting one winter, sprayed all of the trans fluid down the road until it stopped pulling :). No harm though, new line and fluid and good as new :).
Most of the lower powered gas engines had the dry DCT over there (1.6L NA, 2.0L GDI, etc), only the higher torque output turbo diesels had the wet clutch DCT as an option.
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Most of the lower powered gas engines had the dry DCT over there (1.6L NA, 2.0L GDI, etc), only the higher torque output turbo diesels had the wet clutch DCT as an option.
I dispute that. This article says European Fords uses wet-DCTs.

https://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/21/...aunch-in-2010/
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I dispute that. This article says European Fords uses wet-DCTs.

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In Europe, Ford currently offers a PowerShift transmission in the Ford Focus. This PowerShift uses a twin wet-clutch system to handle the higher torque levels of the 2.0-liter TDCI engine available in the Focus.
It says the 2.0L TDCI engine which is the diesel used a wet clutch version of the DCT, but not that all European models only used the wet clutch. so that doesn't contradict what I said at all. That was one of the only versions to get the wet dual clutch, which were the high output diesels.

The lowest output NA petrols were available with the dry dual clutch DPS6 like the 1.6L Ti-VCT like the Fiesta powertrain here. but the 1.5L TDCI and other higher torque output engines had the wet clutch, and the 1.0L EcoBoost has the 6F15.
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:33 PM   #617
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Most of the lower powered gas engines had the dry DCT over there (1.6L NA, 2.0L GDI, etc), only the higher torque output turbo diesels had the wet clutch DCT as an option.
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It says the 2.0L TDCI engine which is the diesel used a wet clutch version of the DCT, but not that all European models only used the wet clutch. so that doesn't contradict what I said at all. That was one of the only versions to get the wet dual clutch, which were the high output diesels.

The lowest output NA petrols were available with the dry dual clutch DPS6 like the 1.6L Ti-VCT like the Fiesta powertrain here. but the 1.5L TDCI and other higher torque output engines had the wet clutch, and the 1.0L EcoBoost has the 6F15.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viIaQiuyfTY
I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying!

I do find it surprising that I haven't heard much complaints from the other side of the pond though
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