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Old 01-30-2019, 10:36 AM   #611
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It is still being made in Germany and China because the market for sedans in Europe and Asia are still more profiteable I imagine.

I wonder had they produced the Mk. III Focus in the same quality as the Mk. II Focus they would have been able to sell more of them, given the 2008 MSRP was $14,755 and the 2012 MSRP being $16,500. People who buy the Focus are very price-conscious IMO.
How many of the Foci in Germany and China have manual transmissions? Maybe they avoided the bad rep that the DCT gave them over here in the US because they were mostly selling sticks?
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How many of the Foci in Germany and China have manual transmissions? Maybe they avoided the bad rep that the DCT gave them over here in the US because they were mostly selling sticks?
I don't know about Europe but for all the times I've been to China it seems that most of the Focuses are DCT-equipped, albeit a wet-DCT instead.

From what I know European and Asian market Focuses uses the wet-DCT transmission while our market here uses the dry-DCT. I think wet-DCTs are known for having to do regular fluid changes but do last longer while dry-DCTs are more mechanically simpler but wears out the clutch faster especially in heavy urban traffic.

Beats me why a DCT is used instead of a torque converter automatic or CVT for Ford...in the meantime, there is a really good post about the DCT here:

https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...ge=1&_k=q3j0y8

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I don't know about Europe but for all the times I've been to China it seems that most of the Focuses are DCT-equipped, albeit a wet-DCT instead.

From what I know European and Asian market Focuses uses the wet-DCT transmission while our market here uses the dry-DCT. I think wet-DCTs are known for having to do regular fluid changes but do last longer while dry-DCTs are more mechanically simpler but wears out the clutch faster especially in heavy urban traffic.

Beats me why a DCT is used instead of a torque converter automatic or CVT for Ford...in the meantime, there is a really good post about the DCT here:

https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...ge=1&_k=q3j0y8
Thanks for that info, I did not know that Focus's over there had wet DCT's. So someone at Ford looked at the dry vs wet DCT's and decided that oversees the dry DCT wouldn't cut it. I'd love to know what the tipping point was on that decision.

I also drive a 2002 Focus with a hydraulic auto... That car just passed 250k miles and it still drives great. The tradeoff... it only gets 26mpg whereas my 2015 averages 38. Plus the 2002 is significantly less fun to drive!

I've done a little work on the 2002's transmission too, so it hasn't been entirely maintenance free. A couple of the shift solenoids have went out, those were pretty cheap and easy to replace myself. Also had the high pressure line blow off its fitting one winter, sprayed all of the trans fluid down the road until it stopped pulling :). No harm though, new line and fluid and good as new :).
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I don't know about Europe but for all the times I've been to China it seems that most of the Focuses are DCT-equipped, albeit a wet-DCT instead.

From what I know European and Asian market Focuses uses the wet-DCT transmission while our market here uses the dry-DCT. I think wet-DCTs are known for having to do regular fluid changes but do last longer while dry-DCTs are more mechanically simpler but wears out the clutch faster especially in heavy urban traffic.

Beats me why a DCT is used instead of a torque converter automatic or CVT for Ford...in the meantime, there is a really good post about the DCT here:

https://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/...ge=1&_k=q3j0y8
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Thanks for that info, I did not know that Focus's over there had wet DCT's. So someone at Ford looked at the dry vs wet DCT's and decided that oversees the dry DCT wouldn't cut it. I'd love to know what the tipping point was on that decision.

I also drive a 2002 Focus with a hydraulic auto... That car just passed 250k miles and it still drives great. The tradeoff... it only gets 26mpg whereas my 2015 averages 38. Plus the 2002 is significantly less fun to drive!

I've done a little work on the 2002's transmission too, so it hasn't been entirely maintenance free. A couple of the shift solenoids have went out, those were pretty cheap and easy to replace myself. Also had the high pressure line blow off its fitting one winter, sprayed all of the trans fluid down the road until it stopped pulling :). No harm though, new line and fluid and good as new :).
Most of the lower powered gas engines had the dry DCT over there (1.6L NA, 2.0L GDI, etc), only the higher torque output turbo diesels had the wet clutch DCT as an option.
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:07 PM   #615
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Most of the lower powered gas engines had the dry DCT over there (1.6L NA, 2.0L GDI, etc), only the higher torque output turbo diesels had the wet clutch DCT as an option.
I dispute that. This article says European Fords uses wet-DCTs.

https://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/21/...aunch-in-2010/
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I dispute that. This article says European Fords uses wet-DCTs.

https://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/21/...aunch-in-2010/
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In Europe, Ford currently offers a PowerShift transmission in the Ford Focus. This PowerShift uses a twin wet-clutch system to handle the higher torque levels of the 2.0-liter TDCI engine available in the Focus.
It says the 2.0L TDCI engine which is the diesel used a wet clutch version of the DCT, but not that all European models only used the wet clutch. so that doesn't contradict what I said at all. That was one of the only versions to get the wet dual clutch, which were the high output diesels.

The lowest output NA petrols were available with the dry dual clutch DPS6 like the 1.6L Ti-VCT like the Fiesta powertrain here. but the 1.5L TDCI and other higher torque output engines had the wet clutch, and the 1.0L EcoBoost has the 6F15.
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Most of the lower powered gas engines had the dry DCT over there (1.6L NA, 2.0L GDI, etc), only the higher torque output turbo diesels had the wet clutch DCT as an option.
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It says the 2.0L TDCI engine which is the diesel used a wet clutch version of the DCT, but not that all European models only used the wet clutch. so that doesn't contradict what I said at all. That was one of the only versions to get the wet dual clutch, which were the high output diesels.

The lowest output NA petrols were available with the dry dual clutch DPS6 like the 1.6L Ti-VCT like the Fiesta powertrain here. but the 1.5L TDCI and other higher torque output engines had the wet clutch, and the 1.0L EcoBoost has the 6F15.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viIaQiuyfTY
I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying!

I do find it surprising that I haven't heard much complaints from the other side of the pond though
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2016 Focus SE Hatchback.
32,500 miles

Usual 1st gear shuddering had increased.
Under full throttle acceleration (like entering a freeway on ramp) the 1st to 2nd shift was very slow and sloppy. If I was driving a stick it would be like slipping the clutch in and out of gear. No clean gear changing.
After hard acceleration I could smell the clutch inside the car cabin.

Ford:
Perform Diagnosis and Pin Point test (clutch out of spec)
Replaced clutch assembly, seals, oil, update pcm and tcm.

Cars seems to work ok now... I'll see how it holds up over time.
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This mega-thread started in 2014, and now we are seeing 2016 cars with the issue. Crazy

What the hell are Ford thinking?
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This mega-thread started in 2014, and now we are seeing 2016 cars with the issue. Crazy

What the hell are Ford thinking?
This one issue on the Focus with the DCT transmission is the most egregious act by an auto company that I have ever seen. I was lucky to see a trend in the posts and get rid of mine early, before the issue became widely known. I got a good trade-in value plus a good deal on a Mazda-3 back then. But there are many people here who were underwater on their loans and did not have that option. So they became mired in an endless cycle of getting danced around by the dealer, leaving it for repair and hardly always getting a loaner. Now it became time off of work in addition to being underwater on the loan.
I once had a young service writer hand me that "you're driving it wrong memo" and after a few questions, i found he couldn't ever explain what DCT was.
I have owned 2 mustangs, 3 escorts, an F150 and they have all been GREAT.
I have read and posted here for over 5 years and watched these boards go from saying its a rare problem and folks are making too much fuss, then they started saying ok but its a small percent of production, then ford began to hand out "you're driving it wrong" memos at the service departments, which led to people forming their own threads here, to tell you how to drive it properly ....to your post today.

I have lost track of how many people got the first fix but they were back within several weeks to months, saying the problem(s) had come back.

Additionally there was the snorkel delete and the WOT suggestions. Again why should you have do be under the hood removing parts or doing Wide Open Throttle starts to get your car to shift properly?

As I have noted before you can hop in any vw or audi with a dual clutch transmission and experience NONE of the issues that Ford (and its defenders) said were "normal". Other Ford defenders were quick to point out that vw-audi is a "wet" dual clutch so not the same, and I would counter with - I am not aware of "any" dry dual clutch cars/brands where owners are happy. It possibly should never have been built.
Tom's tune has tried to help out with mostly success stories but why in the world should you have to do that ? (no disrespect to Tom's hard work and results)
The ford customer service reps who tried to help out the accellerating numbers of complaints here have been gone for over a year.
WE all work hard for our money and this has been outrageous.
yet, go to any major car show and you can see dual clutch trannies (wet) in Nissan GTR, yesterday I saw one in a McLaren, ferraris' you name it

last but not least there was a contingent here who came forward to say their DCT was working great, yet months to years later they came back and guess what? same problem(s)

The point of this very long ramble is Ford should be made to pay for all this. If you had any less expensive device this balky, you'd just drive it back to the store and get a refund

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