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Old 09-09-2013, 12:01 PM   #21
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what is food for thought is the many posts you can read here where symptoms that are supposed to be normal, go away after parts are replaced.

even in my own case, all symptoms went away during the cold new england winter and then returned when it was hot enough for the AC to be on.

never mind all the memos and posts, just take a few moments to ask yourself:

how can a symptom which is supposed to be normal.....go away when parts are replaced or the weather changes ?
Could be that some people describing "normal" symptoms are actually having real problems, but at a level that the symptoms are identical to what is considered "normal". Ten people are having chest pain, but only one is having an actual heart attack...

I'd like to know what effect improper operation has on the clutch packs. Since we know the DCT likes to be operated in a certain manner, what happens when you don't? Is it like a manual where there is accelerated clutch wear?

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Old 09-09-2013, 12:12 PM   #22
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Unless you drive purely city, I can imagine they would last a while. The few DCT Fiesta/Focus I drove had a really low first gear. Not much clutch slippage required to get moving.


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With the exception of the DCT issues and the occasional 6F35 problem, ford has never had better automatic transmissions than they do now.

Early 90s to Mid 00s ... Ford made some horrible automatic transmissions. They were almost as bad as Chrysler for

unreliable automatic transmissions!
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:49 PM   #23
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Could be that some people describing "normal" symptoms are actually having real problems, but at a level that the symptoms are identical to what is considered "normal". Ten people are having chest pain, but only one is having an actual heart attack...

I'd like to know what effect improper operation has on the clutch packs. Since we know the DCT likes to be operated in a certain manner, what happens when you don't? Is it like a manual where there is accelerated clutch wear?

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I have never seen one post here, edmunds town talk-focusand/or the lemon law blog-focus where the owner said he was ever advised to drive it like a manual and/or give it extra gas.

Its a quick car, goosing it on every green light is a prescription for a ticket.
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They might not be advised to do so, but that seems to be how to get the DCT to drive better. My friend noticed as much with his wife's VW.

I'm not saying one should "goose" it, just give it a bit more gas. It likes to be on or off, not "well, I think I want to move now...maybe not".

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Old 09-10-2013, 12:34 PM   #25
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What type of trans does the CX-5 have in it?

And yes, you do need to know what it is you are buying/driving and learn. But then again, that's another of my peeve with the USoA - drivers here are handed a permit and turned loose on the streets. I have seen drivers that do not know how to change a tire, or fuel their vehicles.

I asked, and was instructed, to drive this car from the start like I've owned it for years and was specifically told not to baby it. Word for word was "drive it like you Mustang".

16,500 miles in 11 months, and the car feels great. Just added the K&N air filter too - and it maybe just me, but I think I notice it's better off from a dead stop.
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Some of these cars are actually faulty, and this car has unique characteristics.


My car had contaminated clutches due to faulty seals. After my car was fitted with replacement/updated parts, it performs better than the first day I bought it. The car does have it's personality; however, some of these "normal operating" behaviors were discredited after my car was repaired, leaving me to believe SOME of these cars are being sold faulty, brand new.

There is a large learning curve to it, and constantly reading "I've been driving xx amount of years, dont tell me Im driving it wrong" leads me to believe a larger amount of people are being extremely bullheaded.
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What type of trans does the CX-5 have in it?

And yes, you do need to know what it is you are buying/driving and learn. But then again, that's another of my peeve with the USoA - drivers here are handed a permit and turned loose on the streets. I have seen drivers that do not know how to change a tire, or fuel their vehicles.

I asked, and was instructed, to drive this car from the start like I've owned it for years and was specifically told not to baby it. Word for word was "drive it like you Mustang".

16,500 miles in 11 months, and the car feels great. Just added the K&N air filter too - and it maybe just me, but I think I notice it's better off from a dead stop.
Same pair of transmissions as the 3 and 6 if not more of their models.

Speaking of Mazdas, FWIW, I drove a 2014 6 Sport. Despite being significantly bigger thus presumably heavier, it drove VERY well for getting near the same rated MPG....and of course with a properly operating transmission, the overall driving experience is much better then a focus with a DCT acting up, since it just well, works! Not a perfect car...louder on the road then other similar sedans, and it has some cheap interior aspects I don't like, a big one being the cheesy sliding arm rests with no detents nor a good amount of resistance to keep it in place. If road and wind noise isn't a top concern, for near $20k the sport models can be had for, it's not a bad car! Wouldn't be a bad option for someone getting out of a bad focus and wanting a relatively cheap and good MPG car. I wont be getting one personally, but it is a good option.
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Same pair of transmissions as the 3 and 6 if not more of their models.

Speaking of Mazdas, FWIW, I drove a 2014 6 Sport. Despite being significantly bigger thus presumably heavier, it drove VERY well for getting near the same rated MPG....and of course with a properly operating transmission, the overall driving experience is much better then a focus with a DCT acting up, since it just well, works! Not a perfect car...louder on the road then other similar sedans, and it has some cheap interior aspects I don't like, a big one being the cheesy sliding arm rests with no detents nor a good amount of resistance to keep it in place. If road and wind noise isn't a top concern, for near $20k the sport models can be had for, it's not a bad car! Wouldn't be a bad option for someone getting out of a bad focus and wanting a relatively cheap and good MPG car. I wont be getting one personally, but it is a good option.
, the overall driving experience is much better then the a focus with a DCT acting up, since it just well, works!

That is what I'm finding with my mazda-3. If you had a bad DCT, you won't believe the relief to drive a car without problems
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I would think the lifspan of dual clutches should exceed 250,000 miles of use.
It's no different from the clutch on a manual transmission, but less mileage dependent.The DCT is all about how many times you start from a stop.

A city commuter that averages 30 starts per mile is much harder on the clutch than someone in the country who only does 2-3 starts to the mile. the computer is better at rev matching so the wear in shift between gears should be less, but the clutch wear in traffic is unavoidable.
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Dealer quoted me approx. $1,500.00 when I had my clutch pack replaced under warranty.
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