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Old 07-24-2012, 03:42 AM   #51
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While taxpayer money may be given away to the companies, the fuel tax is probably greater than that.

The govt makes way way more on a gallon of gas than the gas companies. In fact, the fuel companies have a much lower profit margin than the industries of other large companies. Their profits are only large, not because of a strong markup, but only because of the sheer size of their business.

As for the car in general, I would love it just for the technology.
The technology is a bit over the top for me. I worry about the reliability. The real joy is driving the car. It's silky smooth on the freeway and dead flat in the corners. Plenty of power for freeway passing or to claw up steep windy mountain roads. Yeah the top speed is only 84 MPH, but I haven't found the need to exceed that. Go pedal response is right now. My last car got to 60 in 6.5 seconds. The Focus takes 9+ but it's way more fun. Try it, you'll like it.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:33 AM   #52
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Here is the thing - when I am in my car and the low fuel light comes on, my wife freaks out. I say "That means we can go 70 more miles." She thinks it means we must immediatly seek fuel.

An EV, even when fully charged, is like a gasoline car with the low fuel light on - but worse, because you can only fuel it at home.

And if you do run out, it means tow truck rather than roadside assistance brings you two gallons of gasoline.

They need turbine backup generators.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:33 PM   #53
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Hey foci3, found your thread! Awesome :P

(Foci helped me out a great deal at the dealership where he works at, and by chance, focusfanatics.com came up :P)
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:11 PM   #54
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You can drive 75 miles on about $2.65 worth of electricity. (Local rates)
If my 2004 ford focus gets 32 miles to the gallon, and the local price of gas is 3.23, I only pay a little over $7 to go 75 miles. Making it only a $4.35 difference.
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:50 PM   #55
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Here is the thing - when I am in my car and the low fuel light comes on, my wife freaks out. I say "That means we can go 70 more miles." She thinks it means we must immediatly seek fuel.

An EV, even when fully charged, is like a gasoline car with the low fuel light on - but worse, because you can only fuel it at home.

And if you do run out, it means tow truck rather than roadside assistance brings you two gallons of gasoline.

They need turbine backup generators.
It's not like the fuel light is on...but almost. You've got about 1/8 of a tank. It's interesting that after 5 weeks of ownership, it has not been an issue at all.

I charge at work every other day. I charge when I go downtown on weekends. Sometimes I'll charge at home, but it's rare. There are over 7000 public and workplace charging stations already installed with more going in every day. At some point, we won't have to think about where they are because they'll be anywhere you happen to park. They're about the size of a parking meter and they can be used to collect parking fees too.

The battery in the Focus Electric holds 22 kWh of useable energy. That will propel you about 70 miles at 70 MPH. That'll be $2.65.
One gallon of gas has about 35 kWh. You might get half that far in a similar car. $3.50 please. Not that I would ever say that going electric will save you money. It won't. Not now anyway. Someday it will though. For now, it offsets some of the up front price premium you have to pay.

People go on about this high mileage car or that one, but they all still run on the wrong fuel. Last century's fuel.

Electricity is the fuel of the future.

Oil should be saved for plastics and air travel.

Electric cars are certainly not without compromise now, and would have no future if the they or their refueling infrastructure, never improved. Remember cell phones in 1985? What if nobody bought those? The cars and refueling infrastructure will improve and make sense for a growing percentage of people. Not for everyone, but that's OK. There will be plenty of gas for those who really can't switch for whatever reason.

I use to think like you do until I borrowed a Mini E for a few weeks. Then it was a no brainer. Now it's been five weeks (1200 miles) with the Focus Electric and like it more each time I drive it.

In other news, I drove a Honda Fit EV today. That car has no problem smoking the tires and wants to go go go. But it's not as loaded or plush as the Focus and has more road, wind, and drivetrain noise. It appears to have slightly better range. You can lease it for about $400 a month including T&L. Honda did very well with their first EV offering.

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Old 08-01-2012, 06:13 PM   #56
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Saw one at the dealer where I ordered my F150. Nice car. When the battery technology gets to where it's capable of the same range as a gas powered car I'll buy one. Until then forget it.
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Gasoline is 50 times more energy per weight.
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But 2012 design looks much better imo
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the real answer to the replacement of gas already exists and its not a plug in. look up the GM Hy-Wire. i don't like GM but this is it.
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