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Old 10-22-2019, 08:16 PM   #11
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You DO realize that modern tires and wheels are usually much better in balance than the ones of old right? Look at the wheel weight layouts, it gives you a clue. The TPMS sensors will each give an indicator of the offset weight for them and average and record it for future use. The tire mileages and type of wear will talk too. Part of the issue will be getting the tire tech to align the tire by the weight mark, they commonly refuse to do it and I make them do it over if they do. At repeat balances take note of if they have to use any heavier weights, if not you can get away with it, the tire will then tell you in shake amount how far off it is, you may want to balance one. So far I haven't even done that. And get them balanced to see how little weight goes on most of them now. I drive a gravel drive, tires are off balance the first time I do it and what made me sit up and take notice. That was years ago, and so far I haven't had to go back to balance a tire yet or get any align either. The cars drive perfectly and no issues with tire mileage either, at some point somebody may want to think there is more there than agree or disagree especially when it holds up for years.

People can disagree all they want but when it involves money and the choice to keep it or let loose of it, there has to be a solid reason for such. How I built up my 401K. Work done just for the sake of it is bullsh-t, there should be a solid reason beyond saying I feel better about it, that is fixing the driver, NOT the car. And boy there are enough of that to last forever!

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Old 10-22-2019, 08:20 PM   #12
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I prefer my tires to be high speed road force balanced and yes I can tell the difference. I've used some very nice tire balancers.
I drive a class 5 truck all day long and our shop does not balance the front tires once they replace them for the first time, and I can tell one hell of a difference it sucks. They also don't do alignments which also sucks once they start to get some miles on them they don't handle so well on the highway. When I get to drive a newer truck same model it's much more pleasant but I know once the tires are changed over for the first time it's downhill from there.


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Old 10-22-2019, 08:27 PM   #13
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Once one understands how simple tire and frame aligning is, it becomes stupid easy to get a good reliable result using only stout cord, a construction angle finder at maybe $10, and a nice level. A bit more thinking brings 4 wheel align into clarity and it is easy too. I even made up a nice cheap toe checker for two wheels, yet did the job well enough I never really needed it other than as another checking level for the finished work.

It worked fine on the 200+ mph drag cars and where I first learned it. The cars ran like on rails.

I can tell the difference in machine balanced and not but the two are so close anybody else in the car can't tell it. And I lose it pretty quick going through the gravel drive. The main difference shows at like 80 mph or so, you won't feel it, more like a light 'sssss' tire noise being a bit stronger 'shhhhhh'. When it comes to aligning I see no difference at all other than some cars that were aligned do not drive as well as mine. The Nissan when I first got it had an issue that messing with the toe a little bit took care of and it was new.

One of the Focus got wrecked and the strut tower on one side went backwards about 3/4", throwing the caster off side to side, I faked the numbers to bring them closer together and some other odds and ends and car drives like new like that. The steering still pulls back to dead center and with equal force on both ways.
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At Dad's garage we tended to shy away from big 4X4s as they were difficult to work on plus the owners tended to not want to pay for what was needed there. I do remember back before I ever knew anything about front end geometry and such that the scariest vehicles I ever drove were 4X4s with both ends pulling and both suspensions needing SERIOUS work. They were so terrifying even at 25 mph I would refuse to drive them, you didn't know whether you were coming or going. I often wondered why guys would drive something like that. I would list them in the 'crazier motherf-ckers than you' folder for sure.
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