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Old 09-25-2019, 02:44 PM   #21
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Some of us do not have to wreck our cars to know what is bad for them. Did you have to stick your hand into a fire to figure out that it hurts?
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Old 09-25-2019, 05:07 PM   #22
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Your evidence against MMO?................the company has NEVER supplied any proof of the claimed benefits of using it. ?????????? It is solely spread by the uninformed. Like here.

The NTSB ruled that use of it in an aircraft engine failed it to crash a plane.

Both Ford and GM warn against using it. It damages emission systems.

From the MMO faq...........'MMO is about a 5 wt oil. It will reduce the high end number of a multi-vis oil by 4 wt points. The low end number will stay the same when used as per directions.'

So, it's HALF of what ATF is. The 4 points is wrong, it actually depends on the original weight of the oil mixed with, and the amount of MMO used. Additionally, the last sentence is wrong too as the lower number is the base weight, it HAS to move that number, impossible not to.

Another from the MMO faq................'Tests indicate that 4 oz/ 10 gallons of fuel is the optimum level to use in fuel according to engine tests. Using more may increase vehicle emissions or TRIP A CHECK ENGINE LIGHT (caps mine) in emission sensitive vehicles.'

There is also a two stroke adviso in there to sell even more product but the useage number is so low you may as well not use it at all, the makers know that engine damage is a very real possibility using it in a 2 stroke. But they HAVE to sell product, and risking yours doing so.

Look at the MMO site resident MSDS, the product is normal oil 70% and 30% Stoddard solvent, or varsol, almost the same as kerosene or turpentine. The solvent thins the crap out of oil to let it wear parts more, anybody not grasping that is an idiot.

I sold gallons of it, the only thing it fixed were owner heads, the cars it did nothing for and some got worse. Like most maintenance product, the owners swear by it with no real proof at all.
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Old 09-26-2019, 02:12 PM   #23
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You're getting a bit too worked up, and please, try to keep in mind that this was spurned by your comment about my habits. It's simple logic: if it hasn't happened to you personally, then logically you shouldnt make such claims. If something went wrong on a customer's car, it's very likely, that there was a combination of factors involved in the failure. In that context, I can see you having a desire to warn people against using a product that can contribute to a failure under the right circumstances. Obviously, these are not my circumstances because I havent had a failure on any of my vehicles, and I've used transmission fluid and MMO in my crankcase with no detriment. And in fact, on my wife's 4G64, it quieted her valve tick.

Me themsk joo haf too much of an all-or-nothing attitude. But I understand you wanting to help people take care of their things.
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Old 09-26-2019, 03:27 PM   #24
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'It's simple logic: if it hasn't happened to you personally, then logically you shouldnt make such claims.'

Do you dare to think that every mechanic handed a car to work on has actually personally encountered the problem on it before in some way? And in one goofy statement you just wiped away any potential learning gained from those in the past, you may as well burn the libraries.

You're in effect saying you MUST stick your hand into the fire to know, that's the silliest thing I've ever heard.

I'll leave you alone, you obviously have much bigger issues than me to work on. Besides that, the OTC parts stores need less than stellar buyers to keep them in business, and those buyers need to continue to hear all the false things they tell them there. Enjoy that (fake) reality, I would feel bad about cracking that.

Lemmingworld.....................................where each has to experience that cliff for himself personally.
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Old 09-27-2019, 12:46 AM   #25
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I'm sorry that you have so much trouble dealing with opinions that differ from yours. I don't believe your analogy is appropriate because in the case of putting your hand in a fire, only one thing can happen. But we are in fact speaking of an engine, which is very complicated, and can fail for many different reasons, and often due to an amalgam of problems. I don't mean to say that if it hasn't happened to you, then it can't happen. That would be ridiculous. I'm saying that if it hasn't happened to you, then you're not in a qualified position to say it's going to happen because you are working off the experience of others, not your own.
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And I'm saying instead of wasting money on trans fluid put water in the engine instead of oil next time. You can't make a judgement until you have personally experienced it yourself. Your rules, and your methodology, and IF it dies you can say it was 'due to an amalgam of problems'.

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Old 10-04-2019, 08:33 AM   #27
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No, thank you. I'll just continue using Marvel Mystery Oil, and enjoying the great results I've been experiencing for decades. I'd tell you the story about how I run 20w50 in everything I drive, including my 4 cylinders, but I'm afraid you'd just blow your top, again. Have a great morning.
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You are not qualified to make a decision like that if you have not personally experienced it.

You are not running 20-50 oil if you are mixing 5 weight MMO in it. It lowers the numbers, it's not 20-50 any more.

You don't read my posts, or you would know I use heavy weight oils all the time. And I don't cut them with crap MMO either. Why would you just to ruin the advantage by lowering the viscosity back down?

Great results? I have never had the sticky valves, ticking, and other problems you describe ever in a long stream of cars, even the oldest engines never do it. I've never used a maintenance chemical ever, they simply waste money. If a meteor suddenly fell to strike me into thinking I needed to do what you do I would simply buy some kerosene at much cheaper and add it to the oil, the exact same effect. No need so far, every car I let go to the scrapyards still started and ran fine with no rattles or other flaws, I simply drove them so long I needed to get rid of them to make room for more cars. The last two would have had 3-4 years each of driving left, I just can't get people to buy them, they tend to not pay for them. I send them to the yards before I will simply give them away to someone who promises to pay but then later doesn't.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:28 PM   #29
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Hey, bud you've been hostile since I first, replied to this thread. I haven't attacked you once, but you just keep hammering away at me. I'm not offended because it doesn't change my good experience, but why you mad, bro?
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