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dhath81 06-06-2019 02:33 PM

Yes there are fuel pumps for old style fuel module
 
I just called Delphi technical support to inquire about my car's OEM 2000 fuel module compatibility with their fuel pump: Delphi FE0443

He said these pumps were designed for this exact module. He knew all about the "recall" or whatever it was as well. He also said this pump _is not_ compatible with late style fuel modules (with the springs). I wrote in another post awhile back and posted a link to an assembly that I thought I had in there, but that was incorrect.

There is a lot of misinformation going around in this forum, I hope this clears it up for folks just wanting to replace a fuel pump or is sold a fuel pump for their car and needs to ensure it is compatible or suffers symptoms related to the recall and is lead to believe they have a mismatch. As it is, I have a new FDM coming in because I was sure after digging thru this forum that I had a mismatched fuel pump/module. What sucks about it is that after I change that out I can't use the $200 fuel pump from Delphi (what Autozone charged me 2 years ago) that's currently in it now.

*UPDATE* amc49 is correct, don't listen to the parts stores or manufacturers (Delphi), they lie.

amc49 06-06-2019 03:26 PM

5 minutes looking around says you have likely been misled and what they do all day long.

The FE0443 pump at Rock Auto does NOT say for early modules and the application chart shows it as the one for later ones to '04. The early pump will NOT work in those later modules. As well, the kit that comes with it shows only the later metal rod type double filter strainers too, NOT the correct early narrow upright one it takes to fit the early case. The top rubber is the later one too. The outer steel case appears to be the smaller late model too, it is smaller than the early ones. The outlet nozzle as well looks to be the later long one that has to be cut off when using in early module.

You can believe what you want and if you put the pump in the wrong case it WILL seem to work if you overlook a LOT of small details and why I am the one spreading those 'rumors' all over this site. I use that later pump in the early case and they have been working for years but in NO WAY do they simply drop in. Look at all those that did it and a week or month later show up with pump issues.

You can do what you want but likely Delphi has decided enough of the older modules are now out of service to go ahead and claim the lie, it will not impact them enough to worry about. You of course will feel differently when it does not work, hey I warned you. It would not be nearly the first time I was 100% correct and a multimillion dollar corporation was 100% wrong, I live to do that. I could care less what their 'techs' say. You should ask Delphi why if the pump will not work with the later module the filters and top and bottom rubber included for it are wrong, they ONLY work in the late module. Stupid silly there.

The later pump is smaller in OD and the top rubber is incorrect for early module, the pump fits in place but normal vibration from use lets it slowly migrate out of place to eventually fall into the bottom of the module. The top nozzle is too long and hits the top of the cover over it to cut off fuel flow almost 100% too. You'll find it cannot fit either due to being twisted sideways due to the new way the top outlet comes out, the clocking offset to the module changed. I can easily see the too long outlet and the clocking issue right in the pics of the FE0443 pump.

I DARE you to put it in an early module, you WILL find out what I am talking about. It should work fine in a late module all day long.

dhath81 06-06-2019 03:38 PM

I explained everything you said to Delphi technical support and they assured me it was made for the early style module. So someone is wrong then. I'll be pulling it all out tomorrow in any case and then I'll show them what is in there.

It's been in there for 2 years but yes, there is fuel delivery issues when it's 1/4 full of gas or less.

Paul1958 06-06-2019 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhath81 (Post 11383535)
I explained everything you said to Delphi technical support and they assured me it was made for the early style module. So someone is wrong then. I'll be pulling it all out tomorrow in any case and then I'll show them what is in there.

It's been in there for 2 years but yes, there is fuel delivery issues when it's 1/4 full of gas or less.

dhath81,
Thank you for that info and let us know how you make out (post pics here if you can).

Paul

dhath81 06-06-2019 03:59 PM

I have part #: 1M5Z-9H307-AC

That must be the early style module.

1M5Z-9H307-CA is the updated module, correct? Ok, then Delphi lied to me because their pump is not listed as compat for 1M5Z-9H307-AC. Wtf. I'll forward this on to Delphi and Autozone, them bastards. The guy on the phone kept blaming it on fuel contamination.

amc49 06-06-2019 04:10 PM

I can tell you by looking it is NOT the correct pump. To make that pump work I had to shim the OD bigger using a piece of kitchen sink drain pipe slotted to make it shrink smaller to fit tight and I slid it up high as well to fit inside the top rubber to make that tight enough. The top cover of module manifold had to be modded to swing it about 10 degrees or so to fit the modified clocking that pump uses. I also had to cut the top outlet maybe 3/16" down to fit without hitting the cover to block fuel flow. The bottom of pump got shimmed up with a custom metal/rubber damper washer 1/8" to push pump tight to top cover when installed, that stops it from migrating out of place and replicates the OEM tightness there. With all the work done the pump fits like made for it.

I have two cars running like that for years and they will run fuel down to dead empty, Delphi is utterly full of crap there saying they bolt right in. Both pumps are Spectra, Delphi's cheaper line that uses the same pumps, they just don't tell you, actually Walbro pumps every one of them.

I know you want to believe but it just ain't so. Look at the bright side, the old pump now should fit the new module, don't toss it.

When somebody tells me something but my eyes and brain tell me different I for one quit listening. Why the sales reps all did not want to talk to me when I was in parts, I gave them hell over things they lied about all the time.

amc49 06-06-2019 04:20 PM

The original recall issue WAS fuel contamination, the stations all began to use ethanol laced fuel and the makers of it did not filter it well enough at first and then storage issues put lots of water based crap in the fuel. So many cars began to have trouble the fuel companies had to greatly increase the fuel filtering or get sued out of existence.

Ford elected to change all modules over it although if you did not run the pumps clogged long enough to burn the motors up all you had to do was wash the water based crap out of the filters using water, fuel or solvents would not cut the mess at all. I first cleaned both mine out and then put them right back into use for years until the pumps finally went bad on their own.

Ford also made the change as the snap-in early pumps sometimes came loose when fuel tank dragged over bumps to knock them out of the snap fixture, then pump flopped over sideways and leaked air to quit. Why the rods showed up, pump made steady from the top now instead of the bottom.

Not all Ford modules changed, Focus I think because of the filter design that seemed to clog easier and why the new one had double filters. When opened up the modules were full of white snot looking stuff, really gross.

dhath81 06-06-2019 04:42 PM

Yeah they emailed me a list of 'OE' parts that are required to be installed for the fuel pump previously mentioned:

FE0443 can only be used if these Ford OE part numbers are still in the vehicle. Many customer elect just to replace the pump. However, there can be contamination issues with the external strainer clogging.

FORD OE

1M5Z 9H307-AA

FORD OE

1M5Z-9H307-CA

FORD OE

1M5Z9H307AA

FORD OE

1M5Z9H307CA


FORD OE

YS4Z 9H307-EA

FORD OE

YS4Z9H307EA

FORD OE

1M5Z 9H307-AA

FORD OE

1M5Z-9H307-CA

FORD OE

1M5Z9H307AA

FORD OE

1M5Z9H307CA

FORD OE

YS4Z 9H307-EA

FORD OE

YS4Z9H307EA



"Still in the vehicle," never had the update in the vehicle in the first place!

1M5Z-9H307-AC is NOT included in that list that I can see. The tech guy on the phone had no clue. No way I could've misinterpreted what he said because he specifically said the fuel pump would not work on the updated design. I even have the phone convo recorded. So it's good that I should be able to use the pump with the updated one coming in tomorrow.

Paul1958 06-06-2019 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhath81 (Post 11383541)
I have part #: 1M5Z-9H307-AC

That must be the early style module.

1M5Z-9H307-CA is the updated module, correct?

That is what Im seeing.

Paul

dhath81 06-06-2019 09:57 PM

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Yeah it can get confusing because if you attempt to look up your part #, you'll probably just get the -CA version (updated design) like I did. I noticed a post from one of the unlucky ones that looked it up and thought -CA was the old one too. So I have attached proof which can also be found here if you dig thru it: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/200...3V482-4969.pdf

I'm sure Delphi is aware and doesn't give a crap. Autozone, etc probably in the same boat. Their websites seem to state the pump is a direct replacement for '00-01 years though, I wonder if this is worth reporting to the FTC/state AG for false advertising. This is a safety issue. Imagine losing fuel pressure during a critical moment. Not too happy about being ripped off either, they know what they're doing and I'll bet they've screwed many thousands of customers.

Old design is in this photo here: https://www.c-f-m.com/performancepar...894_detail.jpg

SoCalFan 06-06-2019 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul1958 (Post 11383595)
That is what Im seeing.

Paul

+1

When my pump exhibited all of the problems stated in the recall, it was replaced by the dealer in 2005 (after they attempted to charge me $500 to drop and clean the tank).

The new pump was model 1M5Z9H307CA.

This replacement lasted 13 years. Last year I purchased a DELPHI FG1339 fuel pump & housing assembly.

amc49 06-07-2019 03:02 AM

The Delphi guy may well be describing ANOTHER newer module, they have changed at least a third time thinking but for even later models of Focus.

Regardless, the 'early' module to us is one that does NOT have an external filter and no sprung steel rods in the top and has the snap-in structure on the bottom of it. The 'later' module has the two steel rods and an external filter and another inside. Any pump by itself pretty much fits the later module only.


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