Steering Column - Ingition Problem Solved - Page 2 - Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum, Ford Focus RS Forum
Ford Focus Forum
HomeContact UsAbout UsGalleryDiscussion ForumsMarketplace


Go Back   Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum, Ford Focus RS Forum > Ford Focus Tech Discussions > General Technical Chat

General Technical Chat This section is for technical discussions relating to general maintenance, electrical issues, engine trouble, and recalls.

Search This Forum | Image Search | Advanced Search    
FocusFest

Like Tree19Likes
Reply




 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-09-2014, 03:54 PM   #11
Old Phart
 
sailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Fan#: 57268
Location: Lockport, NY
What I Drive: 2013 Black 5-spd SE Hatch

Posts: 44,596
Points 33,746, Level 100
Points: 33,746, Level: 100 Points: 33,746, Level: 100 Points: 33,746, Level: 100
Level Up 0% Completed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Forum Activity 21%
Activity: 21% Activity: 21% Activity: 21%
FF Reputation: 135 sailor Excellent Standing Member sailor Excellent Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
This thread shows it working for members as a fix for '08 & '10 models, so the '09 could easily have the problem as well.
__________________
"Rubber Side Down"

S.R. #275
Focus Takeover #003 / Tarbo Fan #003
sailor is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-09-2014, 04:39 PM   #12
Focus Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Fan#: 86669
Location: Tampa, FL
What I Drive: 2008 silver Focus PZEV

Posts: 8
Points 8, Level 1
Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1
Level Up 15% Completed
Level up: 15% Level up: 15% Level up: 15%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 kev1900 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
If it starts when you turn AND push in, as opposed to just turning,then it is the whole housing assembly.
kev1900 is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-09-2014, 04:50 PM   #13
Focus Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Fan#: 188849
Location: Allen, TX
What I Drive: 2013 Black Dodge Challenger

Posts: 6
Points 7, Level 1
Points: 7, Level: 1 Points: 7, Level: 1 Points: 7, Level: 1
Level Up 13% Completed
Level up: 13% Level up: 13% Level up: 13%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 TexFocus Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailor View Post
This thread shows it working for members as a fix for '08 & '10 models, so the '09 could easily have the problem as well.
Indeed, thanks!

And yes you have to push while turning, but its so bad now, he doesn't even drive it.
Malomalomalo likes this.
TexFocus is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-09-2014, 07:26 PM   #14
Focus Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Fan#: 86669
Location: Tampa, FL
What I Drive: 2008 silver Focus PZEV

Posts: 8
Points 8, Level 1
Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1
Level Up 15% Completed
Level up: 15% Level up: 15% Level up: 15%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 kev1900 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
I got the new part from EBay for right at $108. Followed TiIngot instructions, took me about an hour, and now it is good as new.
kev1900 is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-10-2014, 06:39 AM   #15
Focus Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Fan#: 188849
Location: Allen, TX
What I Drive: 2013 Black Dodge Challenger

Posts: 6
Points 7, Level 1
Points: 7, Level: 1 Points: 7, Level: 1 Points: 7, Level: 1
Level Up 13% Completed
Level up: 13% Level up: 13% Level up: 13%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 TexFocus Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kev1900 View Post
I got the new part from EBay for right at $108. Followed TiIngot instructions, took me about an hour, and now it is good as new.
^^Nice!
TexFocus is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-14-2014, 09:01 AM   #16
Focus Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Fan#: 188849
Location: Allen, TX
What I Drive: 2013 Black Dodge Challenger

Posts: 6
Points 7, Level 1
Points: 7, Level: 1 Points: 7, Level: 1 Points: 7, Level: 1
Level Up 13% Completed
Level up: 13% Level up: 13% Level up: 13%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 TexFocus Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TiIngot View Post
Just wanted to pass this along. I spent the last two days trouble shooting/repairing my daughters car. It was taking multiple times to turn the key to get the starter to energize. At first it happened once in a while. Over time the problem became more frequent. She let it go too long and finally called Dad when the ignition failed to energize the starter at all.

The Focus is a 2008 SE bought new with 77,000 miles on it now. I believe this is the first year for the newer body style. She has a sales route with frequent stops and starts her car 30 to 40 times daily so her starting system gets much more cycle time than a normal car. The following is for a Focus with auto transmission.

First, the starter was removed and checked out OK. The starter relay was switched and OK. The neutral safety switch (is a multi function switch) is located on the side of the trans at the shift linkage lever was not touched except to pull the plug, clean and replace.

The starter switch is located on the left side of the steering column directly behind the turn signal switch, it was replaced $43, still no start with the key. (I learned after to remove the starter switch but keep the wires plugged into it. Turn the key to run, insert a screw driver into the starter switch turn it all the way and the car would start.)

The key tumbler felt Ok but it was removed and taken to a locksmith who verified it was OK. However he informed me that a local repair shop had just had the same problem last week and the shop came to them. The locksmith worked on a new cylinder for the shop but that did not fix their problem either.

Since the repair shop was just down the road as I stopped to talk to them. They told me last week they did everything I did on a Ford Escape and finally had to replace the lock housing assembly that wraps around the steering column just behind the turn signal assembly. The lock housing assembly holds the key cylinder on the right and the starter switch on the left and also helps the steering wheel to lock when removing the key.

For just under $150 I ordered the lock housing assembly (auto trans part # 9L8Z-3511-A or AS4Z-3511A for manual under $50) from the Ford dealer. It comes with the starter switch installed (now I have three of them)but you must use your old keys and lock cylinder. The replacement lock housing assembly can be installed without removing the steering wheel. Here is how....

Disconnect the negative battery terminal.
Remove the steering columns, top and bottom cover and the drivers knee panel under the dash.
Unplug the starter switch on the left side of the column.
Remove the security ring from around the key tumbler by unsnapping it from the housing. Electrical is done.

Three small bolts hold the lock housing onto the turn signal assembly. One bolt is on top, one on the bottom left and one on the right/front. You must use your key to unlock the steering column and turn the wheel to the right to allow access the right/front bolt. If you have one a 1/4" drive swivel will help. Remove all three.

Last, on top of the steering column you will notice an aluminum collar that holds the lock housing assembly in place. On the right side of this collar it is bolted to the steering column by only one anti-theft bolt without a head. (The head of the bolt is gone, designed to break off at the factory when installed for anti-theft reasons so normal tools cannot be used to remove it.) Ours had yellow paint on it. Use a small, very sharp chisel to tap the side of the bolt counter clockwise to loosen it and take it out. DO NOT LOSE IT! You cannot get a replacement.

You should be able to lift up the aluminum collar and remove the old housing assembly.

Use your existing keys you must remove the old lock cylinder tumblers from the housing assembly. Put the key into the lock cylinder and turn them one notch only, to the accessory position. On top of the cylinder is a small hole. Put a small torx socket (or nail) in it, push down, pull on the key to remove the tumbler cylinder from the old housing. Put the old tumbler in the new lock housing assembly.

OK, reverse everything and you are done. The hardest part of reassembly was getting the bottom steering column cover back on. I ended cutting a slot on the bottom of it to get it around the steering wheel tilt lever.

I did not find any information on this problem in my internet searches. However, I feel that as these cars age, over time many others will be having the same starting problems caused by the internal moving parts of the linkage within this housing wearing and getting sloppy. The linkage gets loosen up enough that when you turn the key on the right side, the starter switch on the left does not quite make contact to start.

Hope this helps someone else.

Just wanted to say thanks TiIngot for this helpful wright-up. Saved my son a ton of money. Bought the part (9L8Z-3511-A), got an 8mm allen head screw for the clamp (to replace the anti-theft screw) and had it in within an hour.

You guys rock!
Malomalomalo likes this.
TexFocus is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-16-2014, 06:34 PM   #17
Focus Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Fan#: 190353
Location: Johnson City, NY
What I Drive: 2008 blue ford focus s

Posts: 8
Points 27, Level 1
Points: 27, Level: 1 Points: 27, Level: 1 Points: 27, Level: 1
Level Up 54% Completed
Level up: 54% Level up: 54% Level up: 54%
Forum Activity 3%
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
FF Reputation: 1 Deraks Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Ignition issue

When you guys were having these issues, did your dash lights turn on when you turned the key? When I turn my key to the "on" position, none of my lights come on and the radio stays off.
Deraks is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-16-2014, 07:08 PM   #18
Old Phart
 
sailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Fan#: 57268
Location: Lockport, NY
What I Drive: 2013 Black 5-spd SE Hatch

Posts: 44,596
Points 33,746, Level 100
Points: 33,746, Level: 100 Points: 33,746, Level: 100 Points: 33,746, Level: 100
Level Up 0% Completed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Forum Activity 21%
Activity: 21% Activity: 21% Activity: 21%
FF Reputation: 135 sailor Excellent Standing Member sailor Excellent Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Welcome

It's likely that your issue isn't related as this was a starting problem when the system worked otherwise.

Battery, cable connections & Fuses would be the place to start for your issue - particularly look under the hood before looking at any interior fuses as those aren't as likely to be the problem.

A new thread, detailing your issue would give you the best responses.
__________________
"Rubber Side Down"

S.R. #275
Focus Takeover #003 / Tarbo Fan #003
sailor is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-25-2014, 02:03 PM   #19
Focus Rookie
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Fan#: 86669
Location: Tampa, FL
What I Drive: 2008 silver Focus PZEV

Posts: 8
Points 8, Level 1
Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1
Level Up 15% Completed
Level up: 15% Level up: 15% Level up: 15%
Forum Activity 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
FF Reputation: 1 kev1900 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
3 small screws, top, bottom, and right side are 7/32.

I also filed a slot in the breakaway bolt so I could reuse and tighten with regular screw driver.
kev1900 is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 10-25-2014, 06:25 PM   #20
Focus Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Fan#: 78166
Location: jupiter, FL
What I Drive: 2010 ingot silver 2 dr 5 speed

Posts: 4,585
Points 22,089, Level 92
Points: 22,089, Level: 92 Points: 22,089, Level: 92 Points: 22,089, Level: 92
Level Up 74% Completed
Level up: 74% Level up: 74% Level up: 74%
Forum Activity 4%
Activity: 4% Activity: 4% Activity: 4%
FF Reputation: 7 badazz2010focus Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
I'm having the same issue with my car
badazz2010focus is offline  
    Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Bookmarks & Social Networks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Ford Focus Forum, Ford Focus ST Forum, Ford Focus RS Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
What I Drive
Year, color, and model of your car. Example: 2003 Focus Centennial Edition Sedan
Name
Your real name.
City
State
Country
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in



Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:49 PM.


Copyright 2002-2015 FocusFanatics.com. All Rights Reserved : : Advertise Information

Focus Fanatics Ford Focus Forum offers many fun ways for you to engage with other Ford Focus Owners from across the world. Whether it be about the aftermarket performance modifications, technical how-to's, European tuned suspension or awesome fuel economy similar to the Mazda CX-3, Audi S3, Mazda MX-5 Miata and Acura TLX. You can find all Ford Focus, Focus ST and Focus RS related information here. Join our Ford Focus discussion forums and chat with local Focus enthusiasts in your area. If you own other makes have a look at Challenger Hellcat Forum, Charger Hellcat Forum, Cadillac ATS-V Forum, Cadillac CTS-V Forum, Lexus RC-F Forum, Lexus GS-F Forum, Mercedes GLA Forum, Mercedes GLE Forum and Volvo XC90 Forum.




 

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1