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Old 08-25-2012, 03:48 PM   #1
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Engine coolant in exhaust and intake ports on cylinder head???

I have a 2003 Ford Focus 2.0 SPI. I put a new timing belt, head gasket, and other things on this car. The question I have is when I accelerate the engine bogs down and has no power and has a random miss. I suspected many things and changed a bunch of stuff according to reading other posts. The issue is I removed the intake manifold and as I was removing the two 8mm bolts on the top of the intake manifold in the center, engine coolant started seeping up out of the gasket. I took the manifold off and there was engine coolant in what would look to be the number two intake/exhaust ports on the cylinder head. There is no engine coolant in the actual cylinder and no engine coolant in the crankcase. I am suspecting a bad intake manifold gasket and engine coolant was leaking from the water jacket and getting into the ports on the cylinder head?? Which would lead to the vacuum leak from the bad gasket... Is there supposed to be any liquid whatsoever in those ports? and since there already is what do I do to remove the coolant?
Also there was no engine coolant in the other intake/exhaust ports and the number two port is closest to the water jacket. I could really use some help. I need to get this thing back on the road. Thank you.


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Old 08-25-2012, 04:21 PM   #2
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How long have you owned the car and do you know the history of the engine? By chance did you do a compression check on all the cylinders before removing the head?

The intake manifold should not leak any coolant into any cylinder via any gaskets. Coolant is routed through the intake but it just serves as a connection point/routing point.

If you believe you have coolant from the water jacket/block getting into the cylinder is it because you believe that there may be a crack in the cylinder wall? If so - why? Did it ever drop a valve seat? Chance of it being a cracked head or cracked intake manifold.

Did the head gasket show any signs of being compromised?

It's possible that all that happened was coolant found its way into the manifolds when being disassembled. I'm a little skeptical. You drained the coolant before beginning disassembly?
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Old 08-25-2012, 04:43 PM   #3
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I have owned the car about a week and a half. I buy these cars with dropped valve seats, fix them and sell them. This one was actually still running when I bought it. Took the head off and the cylinders and pistons were good so no need to replace pistons. I have done many of these head gaskets so I really don't think that is it. I didn't actually do a compression test on the car before I removed the head but I know the compression would have been bad due to dropping a valve seat. I probably should do a compression test now but I have fixed these engines a bunch of time with pistons actually busted so I figure this one is good since it has a rebuilt cylinder head and the cylinder wall were good. I know if I did a compression test it would probably come back normal so I am looking into different avenues.
I don't mean to confuse you but I may be using wrong terminology as for a "water jacket". On the cylinder head on intake side there are the intake/exhaust ports... in between the number 2 and number 3 ports there is some sort of odd shaped opening and that had coolant in it but it looks as if it is blocked off by the gasket and the intake secondary intake manifold (goes in between the head and the intake manifold). So I was thinking that maybe the gasket was bad and letting coolant be sucked into the intake/exhaust ports because when I took the intake off there was a bunch of coolant in those ports... and obviously not supposed to be there.
So to sum up... head gasket is good, no engine coolant in cylinders or inside head (removed valve cover and nothing but oil), took intake manifold off and found engine coolant in number 2 intake/exhaust ports, engine was hesitating as if there was a vacuum leak, checked all vacuum lines and they are good, inspected intake manifold and no cracks or leaks. Could the intake manifold have been leaking engine coolant from that opening and be sucked up into the intake/exhaust ports? Therefore causing a miss and hesitation upon giving the vehicle throttle?
No I didn't drain the engine coolant before removal.
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Someone probably didn't replace the head bolts when they did a head gasket/valve repair. You can do that, it will go back together, then eventually you'll have bad head gasket issues. Check out what you can, new head gasket, and new head bolts. That should be the ticket.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:25 PM   #5
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I did the head Gasket myself and used new head bolts. I've done a bunch of these and I really don't think that's the problem. There's no engine coolant in the cylinders or the crankcase. I just put the intake manifold back on with new gaskets and still doing the same thing. It's definitely not a gasket leak. Can an ignition coil pack become weak and intermittently cause a misfire? As it is idling there is a hiccup once the vehicle gets to normal operating temperature. And as I accelerate the engine just bogs down and barely want to run. Almost like there is no spark and flooding the cylinder or something. think the engine coolant issue may have been just from not draining the coolant and just seeped into the ports while removing the manifold. Is there any other reason why there would be coolant in those ports? I I just highly doubt it is a head Gasket issue and now it's definitely not an intake gasket issue.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:35 PM   #6
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Well I just went out and checked the coil pack. 1 and 4 have really good strong spark but 2 and 3 spark is really weak. I think I found my problem. You think I am on to something? Sound about right?
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Bogging - air, fuel, compression or timing. Can you check fuel pressure? Did it lose coolant when it was running?
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I haven't checked the fuel pressure. I did change the fuel filter though. It didn't lose any engine coolant. I have had the car running for the past couple days and when I start it I would let it run for 15/20 minutes sometimes longer and there was no sign of coolant loss or leakage. I am thinking it is going to be this ignition coil pack. I pulled the plugs (one by one) when the vehicle was running and it made the motor run rough as I pulled them. But tonight in the dark I pulled them one by one and number 1 and 4 have a really strong spark and 2 and 3 there was barely any spark at all. I am guessing that's why it wasn't throwing a code due to the fact there was still a spark. What do you think?
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Yeah or plug wires are another strong possibility. If you were checking for spark in the dark then you would have noticed if the wire insulation was breaking down - there would be arcing.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:48 AM   #10
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Changed the ignition coil pack today I got from a Focus someone was parting out on Craigslist. Runs like a champ. Anybody wanna buy a '03 Ford Focus? haha
Thanks for all your help.
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