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Old 10-01-2019, 05:47 PM   #2451
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Clinton's use of a private server was irregular and a violation of general rules for the handling of classified correspondence. Furthermore her server was hacked 3 times. Her private server also violated government record keeping rules. Keep defending the indefensible.
No, what's funny is that people still bring this up. The taxpayers of the USA spent $4.5M for an investigation with Trey Gowdy- remember that guy? At the head of of the Benghazi committee where the inaction of the Libyan security forces was blamed on the Secretary of State of the USA.

At the end of the investigation, all of the conspiracy theories like Hillary wasn't there, or she was there but refused to send help were all proven false. The "email" investigation came as a result of that investigation. It also came as a result of a law that was passed, but not in effect during HRC's tenure as Sec'o'State. At the time she served, it was not illegal for her to have a private email server. Furthermore, the subpoenas issued by the committee were answered, and the recipients of all the missing emails had their emails recovered, therefore we have all that "missing" information.

Ambassador Chris Stevens died. His security force died. People wanted answers, but the real fault lies with the Libyan security forces who did not act quickly enough. At the time, Libya was an ally of the USA. Khadaffi had been overthrown, Chris Stevens was responsible for convincing Obama to enforce a "no-fly" zone over Libya so that the rebels could oust Khadaffi. Chris Stevens was a national hero so the Libyans. When you're in someone else's country, that country is responsible for your security. For example, if the Russian ambassador was attacked in the USA, it would be the local police (possibly National Guard) who would ultimately be responsible for his defense. You are typically allowed a personal security force, as Stevens had, but not an army. Stevens and his security force were overwhelmed by more than 100 Al-Queda fighters who knew that he would be there. Stevens was warned by the Libyans not to go. He was warned by the USA not to go. He was even warned by the man who had built the new girl's school, the grand opening he was going to attend the next day, that he should not come. Chris Stevens was a brave man. He stood up to the Islamic Extremists in Libya, but he was not defended by the Libyan military. I think some people expect that the USA should've called Africa Command and sent in something. A C-134 gunship perhaps. Maybe a division of Marines? Of course! We could have saved the day, but that damn devil woman refused to do it- right? If that's the theory, then please tell me the positions of the US military resources at the time of the attack on the Benghazi compound. I bet you can't.

This is a high crime after all because we say it is!!! The media demands it!!! Wait... not the fake news..um real news like RT news and Fox!~ um... no, because the GOP demands it for a non-partisan reason.... um...I think. Maybe we should drink gasoline around a campfire and think about it.... it has ethanol in it, we might get drunk.... who's first?

However, calling a foreign ally for help in opposition research prior to an election, and with holding promised military aid until that ally agrees to investigate a conspiracy theory is not a crime. It's bad enough that the Trump Administration cancelled lawsuits against Devry who was accused- with evidence- of admitting injured US soldiers to the university who would not be able to attend due to their injuries and so forfeited their GI Bill benefits. I guess it's a good thing that these soldiers had head injuries and missing limbs, and Devry reps had them sign a contract that they would forfeit the money for a semester if they missed the first day. Yeah, go look up that stuff- if you receive "Officer Magazine".

The ultimate casualty of this is the USA. We are devolving into an African or South American dictatorship where we will eventually become accustomed to a leadership purge after each "election" where the winning party executes the previous leaders. Eventually we'll have a minority of people controlling the nation because they are the ones with the guns.

Finding the answers to Alex Jones' conspiracy theories won't help you. What's the theory on what happened to Trey Gowdy? Where is Trey Gowdy?

Oh wait, he's watching Hallmark movies with his wife after refusing a position as a Federal Judge under the thumb of the GOP. Huh.... weird but true. Maybe he knows something.
Where in the world is Trey Gowdy?
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Trump retweets a threat of Civil War if he is impeached

That is actually how that title should've read after I briefly read the article. It has been a few funny days. Like all the claims that Trump supporting congressmen have made on news shows trying to pin something on Biden's son when the time line is completely off.

This is how it works. A Ukrainian government prosecutor was being investigated for corruption. Biden, the VP at the time, and other nations provided evidence of the prosecutors corruption, and he was removed from office. One of his cases was dropped. The company in that case then hired Biden's son some time later.

In a twisted timeline that only a "birther" could come up with, and only "Trump is a god" followers could believe, Biden's son is hired prior to the corrupt prosecutors investigation, a fact not supported by paperwork at the time, but touted on conspiracy websites, and is the reason for the removal of the prosecutor.

Then there's the civil war thing. IMO the 19 century War Between the States was a war started for political reasons- the loss of slave representation in congress- and less than wealthy southerners were convinced to fight for the rights of big money.

This time, less wealthy Trump supporters will be called to lay their lives down for his lies. Like most insurrections in African nations or South American countries, these people likely believe that they are the only people with firearms, so they can do whatever they want. The police can't stand in their way because they are too few. Their proposed opponents are unarmed, therefore easy pickings.

Russia wins.
China wins.
Mexico wins.
Basically the rest of the world wins no matter what the outcome.
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I didn't go. Everything in my plans unraveled. Have to wait until spring.

Just been busy. Other plans also in the works.
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Russia wins.
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Mexico wins.
Basically the rest of the world wins no matter what the outcome.
There's a great irony here... the oilmen-supported social-Darwinists who have been promoting and even authoring the policies of the GOP since the 70s, gained control of congress and the WH due to the support of some of the very people they want to rid the world of; the ignorant and/or lazy tax-burden whites, who are historically at-odds with immigrants and ignorant and/or lazy tax-burden blacks, and can easily be made to hate each other. Most of the future combatants will be located in the FEMA supported states (Gulf-coast) where the damage to US GDP is lowest, except Texas oil-refinery area and Atlanta. IMO, the rest of the nation will simply have urban neighborhood riots (gangs vs gangs vs racists vs cops vs vigilantes, and ghetto fires), not actual civil war across swaths of land between poor, undereducated, marginalized racists, like the Gulf states. If that is a consequence of DJT's removal from office, it seems we will emerge from the ashes as a socialist country with relevance like England's, or like Russia's... seriously reduced political and economic importance globally, but scary military power. China will temporarily become the world's economic driver.

A political Silver Lining will be that the nearly-baseless GOP will be able to stop lying to everyone about global warming causes and consequences, and get back on the "conservation" part of identifying as "conservative"... it better happen very soon, or it will be much too late for any positive outcomes. Another positive outcome of the GOP's social-Darwinism, obfuscation of truth, and manipulation of fear/anger/hate is there will be less idiots and violent reactionaries of all races, creeds, and ethnicities ("blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth"), and after the brief time of The Devil's reign is past, the survivors will live in a more peaceful (albeit, abused) world.

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Sorry to hear that, but I imagine worth waiting for, none-the-less.
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That's the fantasy world of Trump for ya. It started out as 2 million. Then it grew to 5.7million. Anything can be proved on the internet. The problems come out when you have to produce evidence- like in a court of law, or a congressional investigation. That was the problem with the Benghazi probe. All the outlandish conspiracy theories faded away without evidence.

Trump is a traitor to the USA and our constitution. If you win the civil war, perhaps you can rewrite history to show the opposite is true. Maybe he really did serve in Vietnam. He stopped the Tet offensive single handed with a bow and arrow as detailed in the movie RAMBO.

I think it's great that he's so dumb that he'd actually commit an impeachable offense on TV in person, and think that it can't be used as evidence. Just like he thought nobody would notice when foreign nations would reserve 100 rooms at his hotel, not fill more than 2, and then ask for favors. In effect, he commits in plain sight all the crimes that he accused HRC of.

I have faith in the Ukrainians though. These are some very serious people, and they are very upset with Russia whom they know has been killing their people under the guise of Ukrainian separatists. The world has treated them like we treated Poland prior to WWII and afterwards. It was written all over the face of the Ukrainian president when Trump asked him to be friends with Putin. Playing with Ukrainians is not the same as playing with overweight American keyboard commandos.
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Trump as Rambo... hilarious! Humpty Dumpty.

It gets clearer and clearer, from his own public antics (and Rudy's sabotage), DJT wants OUT of office ASAP (he clearly never really wanted to be IN office as POTUS). IMO, he wants to move to a country where he still has a hotel bearing his name, and there is no extradition treaty... then broadcast his on-line conspiracy show, trying to be relevant promoting Satan's agenda.
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I guess we better send Thank You cards to those "5.7 million illegals" (who all voted for Obama), because the economic policies of the Obama administration rescued our country from the ruin of the Bush/Gingrich/Rumsfeld/Cheney bankruptcy. We benefitted from improved oversight of banking and less destruction of our (the world's) natural environment. We had many negotiated settlements/treaties/agreements with both friendly and hostile nations... one would have slowed down China's ability to steal technology that was developed by American corporations and inventors. Glad we won't need those 5.7 million phantoms next election, DJT will be in prison or hiding.
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I guess we better send Thank You cards to those "5.7 million illegals" (who all voted for Obama), because the economic policies of the Obama administration rescued our country from the ruin of the Bush/Gingrich/Rumsfeld/Cheney bankruptcy. We benefitted from improved oversight of banking and less destruction of our (the world's) natural environment. We had many negotiated settlements/treaties/agreements with both friendly and hostile nations... one would have slowed down China's ability to steal technology that was developed by American corporations and inventors. Glad we won't need those 5.7 million phantoms next election, DJT will be in prison or hiding.
If we'd had 5.7 million non-citizen voters in 2008, we'd have still had them 8 years later. DJT never would've been elected.

Just keeping my hopes up for impeachment, and for enough to come out on Pence to prevent him becoming POTUS.
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