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Old 09-09-2019, 07:33 PM   #2401
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As opposed to believing in existential threats that can only be solved with socialism.
Don't know what you are talking about. What is it that is "opposed to believing in existential threats that can only be solved with socialism"? What existential threat are you referring to (there are a few on our doorstep)?

Also, what is it about socialism that apparently scares you? The only people it should scare are the 1-2% percenters who currently pull the strings of our corrupt government. It doesn't stop anybody from having a job and making money (not even the 1-2%er parasites), or having a house and a family, or going on vacations and drinking beer/smoking weed/partying, or listening to the music you like, or living in a safe neighborhood, or singing the Star Spangled Banner at high school/college/pro sporting events, or engaging in any of the sins you "think are enriching your life", or being thrown in jail for certain of those sins... the biggest changes are; you won't have as many financial "warlords" to admire, and our civilization will last longer (still end one day).
I'm not opposed to a Scandinavian style democratic socialist society. That being said, the 1-2% including our elected officials would never allow it.
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Good thing we are a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. Whew!
I didn't figure you'd get it. The article predicted such. DJT would praise you for your loyalty. Perhaps give you a hat or a koozie.

We are not a democracy in the sense of democracies like that in ancient Greece. We would not be dealing with DJT, a legitimized white nationalist movement, nor a rise in mass shootings if we were a true democracy where each person's vote counts in an election. It is possible that we might be dealing with something similar to that which the UK is dealing with where a democratic vote was counted, but lethargic members of their society did not vote bringing a Brexit result that they did not want, and cannot undo.

Plato also feared the end of democracy as a result of the people's disinterest, or their ease at being swayed for nefarious reasons. Our fore-fathers lamented the proposed decline of democracy when creating our Constitution. That's why not all of our government is controlled by election, and why we have a system of checks and balances. It is also why we should all be rebelling against those who wish to remove those checks and balances, and we should fight for more. For example, the head of HUD should not be allowed to fire, demote, or remove the person responsible for approving funds for remodeling the office without judicial review to prove that person is not performing the job as required- or meet some sort of standard for removing this person. That way a political appointee may be the head of the department, but the department doesn't lose people who worked their way up through years of service. Limitations put on political appointees need to be clarified.

Our Constitution is old, and it is battered by years of abuse by wolves dressed as sheep. It is up to the people to demand that it be strengthened in ways to prevent one individual from taking control. The previous limits- removed due to fear of international terrorism- should be reinstated. We should not have a president who can put soldiers into combat without authorization from the representatives of the people. We should not allow our representatives the ability to remove these balances- including choosing a state religion. We, the people, must retake control of our country, or we will fall.

I'm going to go watch reruns of "Keeping up with the Kardashians" and "Big Brother". More important things to do y'know.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that re-districting should no longer be a function of elected officials, or committees overseen by elected officials. End Gerry-mandering for both cults. A mathematical formula could be formulated for the application, perhaps using ameba calving as a model. We, the people, should also seek to make changes so that political parties are no longer considered charities if we do not make them illegal. I also think we should define religions as for-profit organizations and tax as such. If religions wish to form 501-C organizations to distribute their wealth, that is ok, so long as limitations are put on the income of corporate officers of such organizations. Likewise, we must remove the laws that allow political donations greater than $20 from any one entity, and require transmitted media to give equal and restricted access to all candidates of an election for free.

Higher education should be free to those who prove themselves. Furthermore, it should not be Space Force. It should be Starfleet. Space Force was the English name for Japanese cartoon adventures of the Space Battleship Yamato as it traveled to Gamalon to save the Earth, or battled the Comet Empire to save the earth. Starfleet originally brought nationalities and races pitted against each other at the time of the show together in the show to present a future where humans had risen above the problems degrading modern society to seek out and explore, not merely fighting for survival against another unseen foe.
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... That being said, the 1-2% including our elected officials would never allow it.
I believe the repurposed quote below is an effective answer to your cynicism.

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Plato also feared the end of democracy as a result of the people's disinterest, or their ease at being swayed for nefarious reasons. Our fore-fathers lamented the proposed decline of democracy when creating our Constitution. That's why not all of our government is controlled by election, and why we have a system of checks and balances. It is also why we should all be rebelling against those who wish to remove those checks and balances, and we should fight for more. ....
Our suspicions and fears (however well founded they may be) must never override our hopes. If "we" surrender our faith that honorable/well-intended and rational people can make positive changes, and give-in to accept the dominant paradigm of excess and corruption, and head-nod when someone funded by criminal wealth (or big-oil money) directly lies to us (like DJT and his senate cronies) and literally steals the future away from our children, while falsely claiming they are insuring it; then "we" get what "we" deserve... a ruined country of lords and serfs, with the serfs killing each other over the scraps that fall from the tables of the lords (highly skilled men and women will serve as the lords' inner circle)... exactly what the sacrifices of our forefathers freed us from.
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… It's embarrassing we have an orange orangutan for president. Actually a real orangutan would be much better. It would probably actually take advice and listen to people that actually know their stuff.
Yeah, an orange orangutan that steals money from our military to fund one of his failing golf courses, since it's going out of business due to disgust over who owns it... good ol' Scottish people, historically resisting all criminal overlords and would-be conquerors. https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...nberry-881399/

The shite never ends with our criminal orangutan... only He "matters", everyone else can pound-sand.

I think people who love the Darth Vader character also love DJT.

Guess what, MAGA-believers and ComiCONN Vader-dressers! DJT doesn't have "the power", The Force is not under his control, he can not choke anyone from across the room, he's just a pretender, like you. Stop voting for ignorant TV personalities, maybe just get another Vader tattoo.
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… It's embarrassing we have an orange orangutan for president. Actually a real orangutan would be much better. It would probably actually take advice and listen to people that actually know their stuff.
Yeah, an orange orangutan that steals money from our military to fund one of his failing golf courses, since it's going out of business due to disgust over who owns it... good ol' Scottish people, historically resisting all criminal overlords and would-be conquerors. https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...nberry-881399/

The shite never ends with our criminal orangutan... only He "matters", everyone else can pound-sand.

I think people who love the Darth Vader character also love DJT.

Guess what, MAGA-believers and ComiCONN Vader-dressers! DJT doesn't have "the power", The Force is not under his control, he can not choke anyone from across the room, he's just a pretender, like you. Stop voting for ignorant TV personalities, maybe just get another Vader tattoo.
DJT still looks like a better candidate then the choices from the Democrats. Nothing from the Libertarians this cycle so far.
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DJT still looks like a better candidate then the choices from the Democrats. Nothing from the Libertarians this cycle so far.
Looks? LOOKS??! Only to a blind man. "DJT still looks like a better..." is a lead in for many things other than "candidate", with "conman" near the top. Other things he looks better at being are "meddling fool" and "narcissist"... it's hard for me to select an absolute "best" for Donny (see Big Lebowski - reference) there are so many ignorant, corrupt, and degenerate things about him that jump out at every Tweet and every act, it's hard to narrow down what/who he looks better than to less than three, since all three of those things (conman, meddling fool, and narcissist) are proven, and a matter of public record.

How about some other categories? This should be fun.
"DJT still commands the respect of...". "no one (excepting his youngest daughter)" is my favorite answer, but I'll accept that I'm biased by concern for the health and wellbeing of the country as an international entity and a place to live. The answer depends on reference, like willing voters, for them the answer is: "15-20% of all voters" (remember, this is about commanding respect not willingness to vote for). In relation to the category of co-workers/employees, and/or world leaders it is possible to correctly say "no one".

How about, "DJT still MAGAs for...". In relation to willing voters, the answer is "~33% of all voters". Of that ~33% of voters are people who hold on to him as the leader of their cult and the hope for conservative SCOTUSs, and the ~18% who maintain their feelings of fealty and respect toward him. These are people who make all their biggest decisions based on emotion, rather than reason, and include those who naturally thrive on fear/anger/hate. Those of that ~33% who are not driven by fear/anger/hate have had their emotions "managed", or "adjusted", or "warped" by disingenuous power-seekers (including radio/TV/movie personalities/pundits/evangelists, Political Correctness cults, political Party cults, ad-agencies, and the 'extortion' of the marketplace)… and it seems they believe DJT can magically undo those manipulations in favor of their desires.

The vast majority of rational thinkers are very-concerned about the repercussions of the subterfuge encompassed by the slogan of MAGA, and realize he is incapable of making anything better, except perhaps the chances of our international rivals to replace us atop the "power pyramid" of global leadership, and the chances of ANY Donkey-cult candidate to overcome gerrymandering and replace a GOP-cult candidate.
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Both parties gerrymander. The left is leaning way to far over the precipice. Everything they are proposing would either impoverish the working people or the nation. Maybe that is the plan all along.
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Maybe, both cults have been working toward creating the modern-day version of a slave-class... at the behest of banking interests and the limitations of global capitalism.
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Maybe, both cults have been working toward creating the modern-day version of a slave-class... at the behest of banking interests and the limitations of global capitalism.
No maybe. We live in a corpocracy now.
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