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Old 01-11-2018, 10:21 PM   #21
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I wish people wouldnt do write ups on installing the SVT Timing belt , there is NO 100% way to install the SVT Timing belt perfectly every time or even 80% of the time

Just install the timing belt then if you get the P1381/P1383 there is easy fixes to get it right that takes about 30min to 1Hr depending on your abilities

I would bet there is 20-30 write ups over the years and none work to get it right the first time

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It takes forever to thumb/scan/read 30+ pages on this subject alone!

I may not post much here, but I have the skill set & garage tools to tackle most of my projects on my own....or I order the special tools for that project!

Do you have, for example a PDF file, of a check list that you would recommend to go about this job in the correct order from start-to-finish?

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You Lubricated the timing belt.
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You Lubricated the timing belt.
I apply a very small amount of permatex dielectric grease to the edges of the timing belt and again on the outside flat-surface side a minuet amount. Any left over on my finger I then apply gently to the ribbed portion.
I barely use any, just enough to "freshen" the belt from looking dull/pale...

Sorta like applying lotion to dry skin....

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This I never heard of.
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Also would never do myself.
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One either realizes that ANY oil on a rubber belt makes the rubber unwind faster by rotting or they don't. Why the belts strip so fast once a seal under the timing cover begins to seep oil droplets out. That grease may be silicone based but the binders and such will be normal everyday petroleum distillated product (oil). All of the belt paperwork on the planet if one simply reads it clearly say to avoid getting oil or grease on them....................

On the belt teeth it makes it easier for the sprocket to jump teeth.

Tom is mostly correct on SVT belt changing but not impossible, I change them on VCT exhaust like Contour and never an issue throwing codes ever, the only difference is that the VCT switches from one cam to the other. That alone will not affect changing the belt. If one is not anal retentive though likely he will not be able to do it as the procedure changes by the second and nothing written out can cover that. It's just something one with the knowledge has to work out.

Why I often say not to loosen the sprocket with VCT, the entire error trail is because the sprocket retighten ends up with the cam timed slightly different to the sprocket as compared to before. All the timing work there is simply to get the cam phasing to sprocket exactly the same as it was before it was ever loosened. Ford's mistake is that the VCT itself has to time to the cam and no marking or checking provision in the method they do it with to look at that at all. Look at the instructions for later double VCT, later they pulled their heads out of their -sses there, the VCTs as well as the cams themselves have marks.
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Agree ^^^^^^^^^^
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I would say its definitely not impossible to time the VCT Gear right the first time. I call myself living proof. If you follow the proper procedures listed in the workshop manual, as well as having an understanding as to exactly how they work, it is relatively straightforward to verify the cam is locked in the correct position with merely a 1" open end wrench. I started with my VCT Gear already mistimed (clearly off by almost 4 degrees) with no choice but to change it and after a second retorque I had everything 100%. I agree that write ups have a tendency to sometimes cause more confusion, but I am ISO9001:2015 trained in repair documentation from my last job and I do all my documentation for my own benefit during reassembly. Always cross verify information you find on the internet, and do your research. You will learn a lot of small tricks to make the job easier.
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Tom is mostly correct on SVT belt changing but not impossible, I change them on VCT exhaust like Contour and never an issue throwing codes ever, the only difference is that the VCT switches from one cam to the other. That alone will not affect changing the belt.
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I only wish the Contour and the SVT VCT was the same , there as different as night and day , the Contour gear moves almost 30 deg further each side and the software window for it causing a code and self correcting it self is almost 45deg further each way then the SVT , There is about 10-12 other differences between the Contour and SVT VCT

The SVT has a much smaller window of self correction which is why it sets a CEL so easy when changing the timing belt

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I would say its definitely not impossible to time the VCT Gear right the first time. I call myself living proof. If you follow the proper procedures listed in the workshop manual, as well as having an understanding as to exactly how they work, it is relatively straightforward to verify the cam is locked in the correct position with merely a 1" open end wrench. I started with my VCT Gear already mistimed (clearly off by almost 4 degrees) with no choice but to change it and after a second retorque I had everything 100%. I agree that write ups have a tendency to sometimes cause more confusion, but I am ISO9001:2015 trained in repair documentation from my last job and I do all my documentation for my own benefit during reassembly. Always cross verify information you find on the internet, and do your research. You will learn a lot of small tricks to make the job easier.
All this is great but you didnt add anything new that wasnt typed up before many times and people still get CEL , Ford dealer Mechanic all certified , 21 year mechanic at Ford called last week , SVT 32,000 miles they replaced the Timing belt got 1383 CEL and tried setting the cam timing 4 times , got 1383 CEL , changes solenoid , got 1383 CEL , changes VCT gear , got 1383 CEL , changed ECU , got 1382 CEL

After 3 weeks of reading how to set VCT Timing , threw every part at it they could they called me and had it running in less then 1hr with no CEL , the poor guys bill was over 3500.00

He stated he read the write ups on the internet about how to set the proper VCT Timing but they were all about the same and didnt really show anything different then what he had done 5 times on this SVT and saw many times where I said to just install the belt and if you get a CEL to call me , he did and after he called back and stated he wished Ford would of done what I do in the install instructions , he called Ford Tech # and they told him that its a known problem and they didnt have a solution LOL

Install the belt , if you get the over or under adv code call me , I can make it easy and you will be running in no time

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