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Old 09-14-2003, 02:01 AM   #11
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First of all, you are going to run much slower at the track with t/c, so if you race it its definetly hindering you. Second, I hardly see how running some wires to cut t/c is "ingenious", I just pull my fuse (takes like 2 seconds), that way if there ever is a problem, I don't have to go throw trouble of taking out wiring and taking out switch (leaving hole wherever its mounted).
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Dave... sorry.. you will not run slower at the track with traction control. Our cars don't have near the power that it would slow them down. I still get slight wheel spin on a hard take off, and the traction control handles it much faster than your right foot can. Spinning the tires slow you down... BIG TIME!! And the traction control will make a limited slip diff. go hide in the weeds because traction control is more efficiant and putting the traction to the ground. If one tire starts spinning, the brake is applied to that wheel only, transfering power to the other wheel.. keeping the power to the ground. Only in extreeme circumstances of both tires spinning will the traction control cut power to the engine.
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The off switch is....

2 pieces of wire connected to a rocker switch installed into the fuse box cover. (I placed a 20 AMP fuse into the wires)

Needless to say when you want to have the T/C off you flip the button and it's disabled... When you want it to be on flip it back...
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Sorry, but t/c does slow you down and I have timeslips to prove it. Your car is going to want to spin the wheels when it takes off at decent rpm, whats better, let them spin a bit, or retard timing and appply brakes while gas is floored (like t/c does). It is proven our cars launch alot faster and get better 60' times with t/c disabled. Also with t/c on you still have abs, which you can't thresh hold brake with slowing you down, and your powering out of a turn and your wheels start to slip. t/c once again pulls timing and brakes to stop spinning, which is bad and slows you down. I have timeslips and laptimes to prove all of this, as do many other people.
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Yes T/C does slow down your launch and an LSD would be much better for performance. Do you people have car magazines? Go subscribe to one and you will learn alot.
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Old 09-15-2003, 07:17 AM   #16
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The key here is not to let the engine go under 4000 rpm - where there is no power.. The T/C do actually just that and it takes forever to go back over 4000 rpm. By keeping the revs over 4000-5000 range, we ensure that we keep the engine to where it can deliver performance - it's better to have a little wheelspin than to go under 1000 rpm... For a 0-60mph - the difference is probably only 0.2 seconds faster without T/C. Dave - is this assumption correct?

Now if we had an F1 car with 900+ hp or a car with huge torque - then the T/C control would be very handy - has you can see if you have followed F1 races in the last 2-3 years.

But my point here - is to have fun! I want to control the amount of wheelspin myself - not rely on the electronics... I bought the Focus SVT to have fun and the only thing I don't like is T/C.. But like I said, I will probably like it a lot this winter.. - T/C will make a huge difference!! :)
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Old 09-16-2003, 05:42 AM   #17
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While we're on the subject of TCS why doesn't the indicator flash when the TCS is actually in use. I don't like the way the light kicks on a second after I'm out a corner. I drove a GTI once and it flashes while the tires are spinning.
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so your saying that if i have the traction control on...i cant spin the tires or peal out? i must have the switch turned off or the fuse out?
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No, you can still burn rubber. TCS Just helps reduce wheelspin. If your TCS light comes on then your TCS should be working. Turn your TCS off and take some corners while accellerating. You should notice a difference.
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