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Old 02-10-2019, 12:28 PM   #21
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Thumbs up Worth the $65

Worth the $65 for ease of install, straight shot to the TB and allows way better throttle response.

The Focus has already settled down and when at idle with my exhaust is quieter and smoother sounding. You still hear the burbles on idle but with the radio on you can barley hear them.

I would say it helped to calm it down with the extra air flow. Still screams on WOT...

Oh, it does come with the SS hose clamps that are made for the Silicone hose and have the smooth metal piece to protect it from the gear notches.
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I would disagree on this, not performance you will see on the dyno but it will show up on the track. In real world settings just like adding the ST Snorkel it allows for better air flow to the filter which adds better off the line response.

Just like when you replace the Steel flywheel and add and aluminum it lightens up the unsprang weight which allows for faster RPM's to get to your power band. Adding the larger TB and hose gives the engine more response which does almost the same thing. More response, faster RPM's to reach your power band.

Its all about the combination of your set up, one item won't add allot but when you add it all in your combination, that is when you will see power gains. Granted it won't be much 1-5 hp maybe, but what you have and the other guy doesn't gives you the advantage.
Now trying to be an azz here but are you saying your Focus makes X HP on track and it knows its on a dyno and doesnt make the same HP ? Thats what you said

I was the first to make a larger TB and a larger hose , one straighter and better flowing then you have now and there was no gains at all from 1800-7500 RPM , none

The ST snorkel and the Alum Fly adds 0 gains to the wheels

I have a up to date in house dyno jet dyno

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Old 02-12-2019, 09:56 AM   #23
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Now trying to be an azz here but are you saying your Focus makes X HP on track and it knows its on a dyno and doesnt make the same HP ? Thats what you said

I was the first to make a larger TB and a larger hose , one straighter and better flowing then you have now and there was no gains at all from 1800-7500 RPM , none

The ST snorkel and the Alum Fly adds 0 gains to the wheels

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Trying to figure out the azz comment I don't think I ever said a Focus would know when its on a Dyno and off of one. Cars are getting smarter and smarter, but not Terminator yet.

When you have A and B but A Has a the TB and tubing they will have better Throttle response and should achieve there power band faster and in essence will be faster on the track, though they have the same HP on the dyno.

Weight is another factor. You can take off 300lbs from one car and the other one still has full weight, but the lighter one will be faster. This goes with Un-sprung weight to allow you engine to rev faster and achieve its power band faster. I'm not sure if dyno's can capture weight, but I could be wrong.

Real World I'm referring to is the Humidity, Wind speed, Sea Level, Cold, Heat etc... Your car could see a jump in power on a cool day and loose on hi humidity. Depending on what elements are at play you could see some gain and losses. Granted this could be only a few or allot. The computer and tune will help compensate for some but not all of this.
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I am trying to understand the points here, I guess both you guys are correct (in some sense). When we dyno a car, the dyno gives the power output but do not give information about another entity called "TIME".

I am trying to comprehend the discussion here I could be wrong. Lets take an example of 2 exactly identical cars A and B, only A has a intake hose and large throttle body, vs B is stock, If they are dyno'ed they would give exact same power graphs (may be slightly different because not all cars are same, lets assume they are same hypothetically), but you get the point. This is what 1turbofocus is telling. Both A and B have same peak power numbers at same rpms. (lets assume that is at 5k rpm).

Colossus is telling that the TIME it takes to reach to that power numbers might be different because of the difference in throttle response. Hypothetically if car A has better throttle response because of the intake hose and bigger throttle body, then car A will go to the peak power let say at 5k rpm but it only takes "6sec" and car B will go to the peak power at the same rpm as car A, 5k rpm (cause they are hypothetically identical) but takes "7sec", might have a slight disadvantage on timed race.

The power graph is same but the one car have an advantage over the other, I think same rule applies to other factors such as the weight of the car, if a car is lighter than the other, then the power numbers will not change for both, but the time to reach the peak power will be lower for a lighter car and hence the advantage.

This is what I understood about throttle response, let me know if I am wrong. There is no way to measure the entity called Throttle response, and dyno's couldn't measure time. Is there a way ?
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Thank you for your input; very well explained and thoroughly thought out.
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Actually the Dynojet does measure time as well

You cannot have an increase at the track that the dyno doesnt also show , To have better throttle response you have to have an increase in TQ , no increase in TQ you wont go faster on track

The larger TB and Hose doesnt add any HP or TQ so track times wouldnt change

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Old 02-13-2019, 06:31 AM   #27
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Red face Ok..

I'm not sure why you are hung up on the TB and pipe; below is what I wrote about adding them to your combination.

"Its all about the combination of your set up, one item won't add allot but when you add it all in your combination, that is when you will see power gains. Granted it won't be much 1-5 hp maybe, but what you have and the other guy doesn't gives you the advantage."

We could go round and round on this, TB Spacers, Under drive pulleys, Un-sprung weight etc...

We'll leave it as that It all comes down to your combination, Reaction, and how well you know how to drive your wheels off.
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I would disagree on this, not performance you will see on the dyno but it will show up on the track.
This was your statement , which isnt true , if it doesnt show on a dyno it isnt going to show on a track

I am all about the combination of parts working together to make the best performance but adding parts that dont make any HP or TQ to your combination still wont add any performance

I have dynoed the larger TB on MK3 with headers , 2.5 Exh , custom intake manifolds etc , still no gains

As for going around about UDP , larger TB , etc etc your saying all this with no dyno proof , its your opinion and I am saying it because I own a dyno and have tested the heck out of it

And the reason I keep beating this dead horse is some one reading this might think what your saying has some merit and go buy the hose , TB , UDP thinking they add HP/TQ and they dont not on the dyno which means not on the track

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I know you have numbers for dyno tuning and know your stuff. I'm not trying to piss anybody off, but putting my input in. This is what I'm getting at:

Allot of the products won't add horse power; some will. The one's that do, most companies will have dyno's showing the power gains and can back up there claims. This has allot to deal with what kind of set up the test car had upon testing the product.

Others are to reduce weight off the engine to allow it to Rev faster and achieve it's max power band quicker then someone who doesn't have the product. These might not add HP/TQ but they allow for the engine to get its maximum power to the ground.

Your main goal is to stay within the max power band as much as possible so you get the most out of your engine. Using a Tach and Shift light help achieve this for each gear. Tuning helps allot especially when you have an automatic transmission and the shift light might not be able to be used. Steering wheel shifts might be able to still use the shift light.

The other factor is the weather on the day you go to the track. This is one issue I believe can make or break some cars. This is when tuning really helps to give you the best outcome on the race.

Each person needs to do there own research to see if the product is best for them and there project car. There's a plethora of information out there to make the most informed dissension.
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There will he further research into gains vs no Gains for the TB, the hose will only get rid of the accordian turbulence. One tuner testing the TB does not verify gains or not, thats like saying if one person built an engine and did his testing, and showed gains, then technically his word would be final, however another person using the same engine but his own tuning, and finds out otherwise, well now you have some data......... we will be testing my Hatch with stock vs larger TB, same day dyno, only difference will be TB and Tune for TB... no other adjustments.

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