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Old 06-25-2015, 07:52 PM   #21
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I was thinking about the ST struts as a cheaper alternative to the koni yellows. I was thinking ST struts with eibach pro kit. I have the bigger rear sway bar already but I read if you do a bigger front sway bar too it neutralizes the rear sway bar upgrade so I'm thinking about just leaving the front sway bar stock.
Rear struts won't fit. They have a different mounting point. At least on my SE with drums. They might fit discs.

I have ST springs and rear struts if anyone might be interested.
Once I stop being lazy I'll post pictures and sell them.
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I was thinking about the ST struts as a cheaper alternative to the koni yellows. I was thinking ST struts with eibach pro kit. I have the bigger rear sway bar already but I read if you do a bigger front sway bar too it neutralizes the rear sway bar upgrade so I'm thinking about just leaving the front sway bar stock.
This is the exact set up I am considering.
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Rear struts won't fit. They have a different mounting point. At least on my SE with drums. They might fit discs.

I have ST springs and rear struts if anyone might be interested.
Once I stop being lazy I'll post pictures and sell them.
yeah I've heard that. I was thinking about using the handling package rear shocks or just leaving the rear shocks alone. it all comes down to money. if I have the funds at the time or can be patient enough to save then I'm going with the Koni yellows all the way around, otherwise i'll go with the ST front struts.
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I have the bigger rear sway bar already but I read if you do a bigger front sway bar too it neutralizes the rear sway bar upgrade so I'm thinking about just leaving the front sway bar stock.
This.
Sounds like you're on it.
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This is the exact set up I am considering.
Hmm... don't think it neutralizes the rear, if you mean, it makes the rear bar not noticable...if you mean neutral handling (minimal understeer and oversteer) then perhaps... many people like neutral handling, myself included...as long as the front and rear bar are both upgraded, it should be balanced, but if you upgrade the front without the rear or vice versa, that's when you can create strange handling....I've never installed a larger front bar and not been grinning ear to ear with how flatter the front end stays when you cut into corners, make the car feel more "go-cart" like.
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Rear struts won't fit. They have a different mounting point. At least on my SE with drums. They might fit discs.

I have ST springs and rear struts if anyone might be interested.
Once I stop being lazy I'll post pictures and sell them.
St struts might be cheaper, but in all honestly..it's a days work for one person to replace the front and rear suspension...if I'm doing all that work (or worse paying a shop which would be hella $$$$), I'd rather start with fresh aftermarket struts designed for lowering and do it right the first time.
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I have a 12 Ti hatch with the handling pkg & 18" wheels and I also want something more in the handling dept. and like Jburks I don't want to go lower than 1". So I have been looking at Steeda or the 13 ST springs with Koni's.
As an experiment I have installed the rear 13 ST springs, because I can do the rear suspension work myself and the ST springs are very inexpensive!
Observations after a month: The ST springs lowered the rear end nicely for a better balanced stance; the ST's are, in my opinion, not much stiffer than the Ti handling pkg springs, just lower; the rear shocks are under damped on the rebound with either set of springs. So I will be putting Koni's on the rear for the adjust-ability for sure! I don't think that the Ti handling pkg rear shocks would satisfy anyone who's upgrading their suspension.
I think something slightly stiffer than the ST springs would be ideal. Does anyone know if the Steeda's or Eibach's springs are any stiffer than the 13 ST's?
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Hmm... don't think it neutralizes the rear, if you mean, it makes the rear bar not noticable...if you mean neutral handling (minimal understeer and oversteer) then perhaps... many people like neutral handling, myself included...as long as the front and rear bar are both upgraded, it should be balanced, but if you upgrade the front without the rear or vice versa, that's when you can create strange handling....I've never installed a larger front bar and not been grinning ear to ear with how flatter the front end stays when you cut into corners, make the car feel more "go-cart" like.
A lot of people agree that the stiffer front bar can make the car under-steer.
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You can both be right in a way.

Upgrading both ends proportionately maintains the same under steer the car came with, while a larger increase at the rear will make it more neutral.

With just a front bar it DEFINITELY under steers, and increasing the front after doing the back "neutralizes" at least some of the change made by the rear bar alone.

Go big enough at the rear & you'll get over steer, look at the ST for an example.
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Gotcha!
Makes sense.
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