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Old 04-14-2019, 05:42 PM   #1
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Auto trans woes

Ok. So I am getting a gush of transmission fluid from the weep hole on the bottom of my 2005 Ford focus zx4. What do you think? Torque converter seal? Pump seal? While moving it does not seem to leak as bad as when I come to a stop. In park with engine idling there is not a noticeable leak. Function was fine when parked. Just dropped the trans pan and did the filter and replaced solenoid A while I was at it. Wanted to check the pan for big chunks. It seems normal for 150k. No big metal chunks so pretty sure just a seal failure of some sort. Anybody know what kind of $$ I am looking at?


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Old 04-15-2019, 01:31 AM   #2
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Converter and pump seal are the same part. Trans has to come out to fix it.
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All the shops around here don't just want to replace the seal. Say it might pop back out due to the tunnel being worn from torque converter? Man, rebuilt transmissions are crazy high. Anybody got a source in US?
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:12 PM   #4
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ALL shops pretty much do whatever lying it takes to get the entire trans changed now, they do not want to fix minor things at all any longer. Partly because their help is not competent enough to do it at the rates they pay, they only want trans installers now.

The seal won't pop out, that is the silliest thing I've ever heard and I rebuild ATX. Likely a seal may fix it but if the bushings the converter snout and stator main support are held up by are worn enough there can be enough play in there to let the shaft(s) tilt out of plane enough to leak even with a good new seal there, the seal only squeezes in maybe .015", any wear beyond that in bushing and leak city.

At my house that means changing a couple of bushings at maybe $5-$10 each but one is in the front pump and no way will those coward shops be changing that one. May need a new converter as well depending on the snout wear, careful measuring required to determine that.
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One of the guys at AAMCO said I might get away with the seal refresh they do for around $750. But once they crack it open is probably when they will bend me over. Friend at work gave me the # for a guy that does transmission work for Hyundai but
does side work on weekends. Gonna give him a call and see what's up.
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So what parts?

If I am going to rebuild this thing..... Was there a heavier duty version of 4f27e to be had I could get clutch packs and other parts from? If you were going to rebuild one what parts would you use? I just want it a little sportier feeling, if they are gonna crack it open then I want new parts where I can.
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For sportier feeling a Tune would be best , I can change shift pressure , shift rpm and more

There really are no more ATX parts out there , same will say change the valve body but the tune will give you better results at a cheaper price

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And a seal alone may well fix it, they will likely do that first anyway instead of bothering to mike all the bushing IDs and ODs chasing wear. AFTER the seal along doesn't work then they get you twice. Double money that way.

Per Tom, the only ATX hi-perf out there was Lentech and they built entire transmissions only. Big $$$$$$$.

A tune can do what you want easily. That stuff is all software controlled.
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So I am working on this.

What I have put together.
Got new internals from a zero mile pull apart OEM transmission off eBay. Rear cover, direct and reverse drums,forward clutch and shaft, no visible wear marks to be seen so I think this is legit.

Ordered the Superior products shift kit for the valvebody which should raise line pressure some from what I understand.

Picking up the Alto red friction and steels for the 4f27e as well. That should firm things up a lot in the shift department as well.

All should be in sometime next week.
Now gotta finish talking to one of the shops around here to put it all together. It is tempting to try myself but too many little steps to remember and a lack of proper equipment keep me from being stupid.

Is there a "best" brand when it comes to overhaul kits for auto trans?
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Auto trans woes- MONSTER rebuild

Parts thus far
Alto Red:
133740-160 forward and reverse clutch and steels set
133960- band
133757-direct clutch and steel set

Ford OEM
New pistons
Drums
End cover
(All from zero mile pull apart transmissions)

Superior 4f27e billet accumulators

Thank you Roy @ Alto Products for helping me find some part #'s!!!
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