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Old 10-10-2015, 08:42 AM   #11
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Weight on the newer models takes its toll on brakes. Look at the weight of your Pinto wgn & then compare that to your mk1 & then to your mk3. I never had a brake issue w/ any of my 3 V/8 Vega's running the stock brakes.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:00 PM   #12
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Yes, weight is for sure a factor in the brake wear issues, however, my problem is that the brake upgrades haven't pace with the increases with weight and size. Way back when, I drove a Datsun 1200 coupe with a heavily modified motor; Webber 40dcoe carb, mechanical advance only distributor, modified cam grind, high compression head, exhaust headers, glass packs and Datsun factory racing suspension on Minilite wheels with Dunlop tyres. Cut at least 2 seconds off of stock time; needed octane boost even with premium fuel, but ran stock solid rotors in front, with heavy duty metallic pads. (needed to "warm up" the brakes) My point is that the rotors and pads had built in margins of safety without the need to upgrade. Ford should have upgraded the materials in the rotor and/or size of the rotor to handle the additional weight caused by upgrades in safety and convenience.

In my years working with German imports, we had far less issues of rotors warping and/or pad failures than I have had with my Ford compacts going all the way back to the original Escort series sold in the US. Rotor machining when I started in this business was mainly done to reduce noise and insure maximum brake pad life, not to correct rotor run out or warped rotors. Sure, warped rotors occurred, but, it isn't like today where its rare (in my experience) that a front brake rotor won't require at least one machining to correct run out before it reaches its wear limit. I'm on my second time around on the original rotor needing to have the run out dealt with. As past experience has shown, upgrades to larger front rotors and better cast materials, has or will eliminated the need to constantly resurface rotors to eliminate rotor run out.

Today we have too many choices in grades of parts; it was once common to only have one grade of standard replacement brake rotors and/or drums. I used to buy Century branded rotors and drums (these were re-labeled Bendix) and there wasn't an "economy grade", OEM grade, and "premium grade" items. There has always been an economy grade brake material;i.e., Grand Pro ( organic bargain brand), Bendix EDF, Bendix Metal King, Bendix racing/police duty but that was reserved for lining materials only.
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As far as the vehicle manufacters keeping up w/ brake systems for their models, some have & then some are or were behind. Sure materials & technology have changed some, but it also comes down to the bean counters, unless someone fights for the upgrades & then depending on the model. I would have thought that Ford would of had or offered a bbk & a diff as a trackpac option for the st. Asking the brakes to act as a diff throws heat into them, what do they expect? Most ppl aren't going to install a diff, let alone upgrade to a aftermarket bbk.
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My winter wheels are 16" so I can't go *too* big on the brakes. Will a 16" clear the older ST calipers or do I have to stick with 17"?
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So lucky me I grabbed some used ST brakes. Found the stamps on the calipers themselves to match the OP here, but the brackets and springs I'm unsure about. The images I've found online both confirm and deny. What I have here matches what I can find on RockAuto, but not other sites. Is this the right set of bits to do this?



Edit: awwww snap I found another resource and it shows the exact set that I have. Woo! Time to pick up some brake cleaner!
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Do i have to buy new set of bolts or SE bolts fits perfectly for ST brake calipers


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I'd think the bolts for the bracket would be the same.
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Was wondering
Since the rear caliper are same..does it means that the stainless brake hose of ST can be apply on SE too?
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I just installed front ST calipers on my 2012 Ti with Hawk HPS pads and StopTech slotted rotors all around. I ordered 'new' OEM ST parts from a local Ford Dealer and everything bolted up without any issues. I already had Goodridge S.S. brake hoses installed and was able to reuse them on the new front ST calipers. The rear brakes are the same size for all Focus' so I didn't include any pictures of those. I had very good results installing aftermarket pads & rotors on my 99 Contour, so it was an easy decision to go with after market this time with the Focus. I chose slotted rotors just for the looks, but I put the ST calipers on for the larger pads and rotors for better braking performance. I don't even have a 100 miles on the new setup, so it's to soon to tell if I actually met my objective. Time & miles will tell.

The following pictures (in order) are OEM front brakes; ST front calipers with the above mentioned pad and rotor; OEM front brake pad v. Hawk HPS ST pad; OEM front rotor v. Stoptech slotted rotor; front wheel installed on new ST brake setup.
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The 3rd & 4th pix is great to show ppl the difference in size & reference. Great upgrade.
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