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Official Winter Tires Thread: Please post any winter questions here!

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#1 · (Edited)
So, first off let's learn or relearn the facts about winter tires.

How do winter tires work?

Here are a few pictures to illustrate the mechanics involved in winter traction.

If you look closely at a road surface you can tell that it is really not that smooth as represented by the model in this picture:

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With the high grip rubber compound used in your summer performance tires the contact area conforms to the irregular surface of the road:

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That amount of contact can generate a tremendous amount of traction in the summer time but what if the road in snow covered?

That brings us to the question, what makes a tire a good winter tire? The answer is a three part puzzle and without all three parts traction will be compromised.

Let's look at the first part of the puzzle; tread design.

This picture shows a winter tire tread design which, as you can clearly see, utilizes a large number of sipes:

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When the road gets snow covered the tire is no longer able to conform to the surface.

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The siping allows the tread elements to flex under stress create aggressive "biting edges" when braking, cornering or accelerating.

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Part two of our three piece traction puzzle is tread depth.

While deep snow and ice-covered roads are two of the most challenging conditions North American drivers will face, tire developments during the last decade have noticeably advanced wintertime mobility. The technological revolution of dedicated winter tires for drivers in the snowbelt, and the continuing evolution of all-season tires for drivers living on its periphery characteristically offer more grip in snow and on ice than ever before.

However the basics of delivering traction and handling in snow and on ice remain unchanged. Tires must combine three fundamental features to deliver good wintertime performance, including an appropriate tread design, pliable tread compound and sufficient tread depth. If any one of these fundamental features is absent then the other two, regardless of their ability, cannot deliver the desired results. Since engineers can develop cutting-edge tread designs and chemists can develop advanced rubber compounds, it is often the remaining tread depth that is the variable in determining wintertime performance.

In most parts of the world, tires are considered to be legally worn out when they reach "2/32" (approximately 1.6mm) of remaining tread depth. U.S. law requires tires to have easy-to-see Tread Wear Indicator bars running from one side of their tread design to the other when the tire's tread has worn down to the minimum legal limit of 2/32 inch.

However in spite of the legal minimums, Tire Rack recommends that drivers expecting to experience wet conditions consider replacing their tires when they reach 4/32" of remaining tread depth. Tire Rack's tests have shown how shallow treads reduce wet braking traction and increase stopping distances. (See this video).

Tire Rack also recommends that drivers expecting to encounter snow-covered roads consider replacing their tires when they reach approximately 6/32" of remaining tread depth to maintain good mobility. Tires need more tread depth in wintry conditions to compress snow in their grooves and release it as they roll. If there isn't sufficient tread depth, the "bites" of snow that can be processed on each tire revolution will be reduced to "nibbles," and the vehicle's traction and mobility in snow will be reduced.

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The third and final part of the puzzle is the rubber compound used. Rubber compounds vary widely from manufacturer to manufacturer but, the task is the same so, you will see similarities between the products. They all typically use compounds which utilize materials designed to remain flexible at cold temps in addition to traction enhancements from silica and other materials which add more bite on ice.

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Now, for the next step ... types of winter tires

There are basically three different types of winter tires

#1.) Performance Winter

You want enhanced dry road handling from your winter tires and are willing to trade some snow and ice traction to get it.

Meeting severe snow service requirements and branded with the "Snowflake-on-the-Mountain" symbol, these are higher speed rated tires that are designed to suit winter driving on European highways. They are available in many of the low profile sizes used as Original Equipment on sporty imported and domestic cars. Due to their unique designs these tires must be installed in sets of four.

#2.) Studless Ice and Snow

You want to maximize snow and ice traction from your winter tires without the inconvenience of using winter tire studs.

Meeting severe snow service requirements and branded with the "Snowflake-on-the-Mountain" symbol, these tires feature the latest in tread compound technology to provide winter traction without the inconvenience of tire studs. They trade a little handling for excellent ice and snow traction. Due to their unique tread compounds these tires must be installed in sets of four.

#3.) Studdable Winter

You want the traditional security of studded winter tires for enhanced traction on ice.

Meeting severe snow service requirements and branded with the "Snowflake-on-the-Mountain" symbol, these tires feature traditional snow tire tread compounds and studdable tread designs for good snow and ice traction. Due to their unique designs these tires must be used in sets of four. Use of studded tires is often prohibited or restricted. Check with local authorities to confirm legality. Keep in mind that these can be used without studs if desired.

But Do I Really Need Winter Tires?

The primary concern that our customers express is that they don't want to get "stuck" in the snow (or in the ditch) during the winter.

While in cities like Atlantic City, Memphis and Seattle located at the edge of the snow belt, relatively new All-Season tires will probably work just fine. But the odds change as you move further into the snow belt or the All-Season tires have a few years of wear on them. And who wants to gamble...especially when their collision deductible and future insurance premiums are on the table.

We all know that tires are a compromise. One tire can't be the fastest on the track, most controllable in the snow, and longest wearing. The Ultra High Performance tire that grips the track with tread temperatures of 200° is incompetent as its tread compound becomes like "hard plastic" at below 32°. Today's 80,000-mile tires require tread designs and compounds that maximize long, even wear... not winter traction. And while many of today's all-season tires (Original Equipment, touring and performance) address some of these issues, they still emphasize longer wear, a quieter ride or greater performance...not winter traction.

Only winter tires are designed to excel in the colder temperatures, slush, snow and ice that many parts of the country experience for three or more months a year.

It's also important to note that the recent advancements in electronic driver aids, such as ABS and traction control don't provide more traction. They only help prevent drivers from over braking or overpowering the available traction of their tires. The only thing the driver can do to increase traction...to actually get more grip and control... is install better tires.

As in the past, there are 'general use' recommended packages for each model car to be found at our Winter category but, if you would like to discuss other options for your specific need please don't hesitate to give me a call at 800-428-8355 ext. 788 or drop me an e-mail.

You can also post in this thread but please supply the following information ....

Year:
Make:
Model:
Location:
Tires only or winter package:

and I will respond directly to your post.

I will also be adding to this thread periodically so check back often.

Links to use to get the forum credit for your order:
- Tires
- Wheels
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- Suspension
 
#53 ·
I haven't been involved in any testing proving it to be harder but I would imagine it is just because you have less clearance to get through snow and your car is more likely to plow it instead of going over it.

hey guys, i was wondering if you could recommend some good snow tires for my 2010 ford focus ses. also i was wondering if i would be able to find new struts to match a set of lowering springs. im just trying to find a cheaper way to do it then getting coilovers
The king of the hill for winter tires is still the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-70 although the Michelin X-ice Xi2 has gotten very similar results this year. A lot of Focus owners have really liked the General Altimax Artic also which is an excellent pick dollar-for-dollar. Are you using the 215/45R17?
 
#52 ·
hey guys, i was wondering if you could recommend some good snow tires for my 2010 ford focus ses. also i was wondering if i would be able to find new struts to match a set of lowering springs. im just trying to find a cheaper way to do it then getting coilovers
 
#54 ·
Miles I got my Blizzaks in and they look great. I'm going to put them on in about a week. Wondering if there is a How-To anywhere for the TPMS sensor reset process. Not sure what to do with my $45 tool :) haha
 
#57 ·
205/60 R16 on a 2012

I have a pretty new set of 205/60r16 winter tires from a 1999 Acura TL. I realize I would need different wheels and TPMS monitors, but any reason these would not work on a 2012 Focus? I think the circumstance is within a % or so of the OEM tires and the load capacity seems sufficient. Thanks!
 
#58 ·
If your circumference is within a percent then it should work as long as you get the right wheels/hole pattern like you said.



Stock Tire - 215/50R17

Tire 1 - 205/60R16
Diameter Difference: 0.86%
Speedometer Difference: 0.864% too slow


Tire 2 - 215/55R16
Diameter Difference: 0.59%
Speedometer Difference: 0.599% too fast


I have a pretty new set of 205/60r16 winter tires from a 1999 Acura TL. I realize I would need different wheels and TPMS monitors, but any reason these would not work on a 2012 Focus? I think the circumstance is within a % or so of the OEM tires and the load capacity seems sufficient. Thanks!
 
#61 ·
Have you not tried the tirerack website? Put in your car model/year and it will give you options for winter tires for the stock size you have or options if you're interested in getting a set of spare steel wheels/winter alloys (you can buy them used locally too and just buy the tires).

I got to get snow tires for my car Ive got 215-45- r17 what are my options
 
#63 ·
'12 titanium 18" -> 15" for winter?

I have a '12 titanium sedan with the O.E. 18" summer tires that came with the handling package. I'm looking for a cost efficient and overall "smarter" way to equip this car for winter. I'm thinking of 15" rims with winter tires for more stable handling. Any other suggestions?
This is my 3rd focus, and I haven't had to switch rims for winter before but after reading forums, it seems like the best idea for safety. I'm not sure what all I will need to buy to make this happen. I know I'll have to decide on dealing with the tpms or not, but besides that, idk. Thanks in advance :)
 
#64 ·
15's would certainly provide the best winter traction although I doubt think "stable" would be the adjective I would use for it. I say that just because the sidewall height would be significantly higher and you would experience more tire roll when cornering. If you would like more of a compromise between handling ability and snow performance than a 16'' package might serve you best. Either way the improvement you would get from a winter tire is pretty impressive.
 
#68 ·
Hey Mile,

I have a 2012 Ford Focus Titanium with the 18" tires. I live in Wisconsin and needless to say the tires i have on now, suck in the snow.
So my question is should I go with the 16" tire or 15" tire? I'm currently looking at the 195/65R15 general Altimax Arctic tire with the steel wheel package. From what I've heard it's best to go to a 15" tire but then you suffer handling wise. What can I expect handling wise and spedometer change if I do go with the 15"?

Thanks!
 
#69 ·
To be frank, between a 15'' and 16'' there will not be much of a difference in handling. If you extrapolate the differences out a few wheels sizes then you would definitely notice but between these two I wouldn't expect anything significant. As for the speedometer change, a proper -1 application (meaning going to 15's) should not affect anything because the 1'' loss in the wheel size would be negated by a 1'' growth in the tire height.
 
#71 ·
^^^More noticeable yes but I wouldn't say uncomfortable in either case. If you are coming from the 18's I would suggest going with a 16'' package simply because it's less drastic. There have been a few guys on here that were unhappy with the difference on a 15'' set.
 
#73 ·
Honestly what I really want is to be able to go through an inch or 2 of snow/ ice without my tires spinning and loss of vehicle control. I can adapt to the handling after a while. It's only a few months out of the year.

One more question. Are there any 2012 Focus owners who didn't put the sensors on with their tires. The state of WI doesn't have a mandatory sensor law and I was just wondering what I can expect other than an annoying light for a couple months.
 
#74 ·
Looking to pick up a set of wheels/tires for this upcoming winter, didn't know if by chance there was any type of spring/summer sale going on now? I got my '12 Titanium w/ performance 18" package towards the end of this past winter, and quickly realized I'm going to need winter tires.

Year: 2012
Make: Ford
Model: Focus Titanium
Location: Detroit area
Tires only or winter package: Winter Package

I think I'd like to go with a 16" package, what would you have available/recommend?

Thanks,
Matt
 
#75 ·
I have steel wheels for $58 each. Pirelli 210 Sottozero which is an excellent winter tire is on sale right now for $119. If you wanted to go alloy I would recommend something like the MSW Type 14 Silver Painted. Strong wheel with a very durable finish, great for winter use.
 
#78 ·
Whats the best winter tire for around metro Detroit? I was looking at the Blizzak WS70, however, it seems like studless are best were it really snows A LOT, whereas in metro Detroit, it does snow a lot, but usually freeways are cleaned up decently and I'm not always driving directly on snow. So perhaps a performance snow tire would be better?

What is your opinion?
 
#79 ·
Will TPMS fit any steel wheel?

Hi there, just picked up my new Titanium last week and am very happy with it. It came with the 18" wheel option, summer only. I have a set of 195-65-15 winter tires that were used on a Pontiac Vibe. I see that this is the size of the stock wheel on the base model car. Will a 15" steel wheel fit on the Titanium? I don't know if there is a rotor clearance issue. My other question concerns TPMS. Do I just order up a set of ford sensors and install them on any steel wheel, or is the wheel specific? I'd like to control cost as much as I can, and so far my tires seem like they will work. At worst I guess I just need a set of wheels.

Thanks
 
#82 ·
2005 ZX4 ST, Stock Alloys

After finding the prices of winter tires for my 17" ST 200s to be too much to bear, I've decided to put some on my 16" stockers. I'm also looking at making my first purchase from Tire Rack. :) Originally I was looking at Graspics, but afer seeing the survey results from the Winterforce I was leaning that way, but comfort and low road noise are important too me. I drive 48mi each way to work and back every day. I loved my Conti DWS's for the snow / ride / low noise but I only got 25k of the 50k quoted treadlife. Then I read the test results on Tirerack and decided on the General Altimax. The only problem is that they're only available in a 55 series for the 16". I am lowered on the Saleen/Racecraft/Eibach setup, should I have any rubbing problems with the increase in sidewall? IIRC it's about a 1.25 - 1.5" drop. If no issues, I'll probably order Monday morning.

Thanks!