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Old 05-16-2012, 03:01 PM   #1
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help!!!! smart wheel guys needed..

so heres my scenario i know its kinda long but i need u guys... i bought wheels off a kid on ff and they are not for our cars but he had them customized to fit our cars... when i got them i got tires slapped the rims on my car but there was a serious problem they werent lining up on the hub right and the ride was horrible so i had them taken off...turned out it was because i didnt have hub centering rings.. so i got the centering rings and new lugs thought i was good..but while driving on the highway i had some vibration. so i took it to tire warehouse to have the tires balanced and an alignment and when they went to take off the passenger rear rim all the studs stripped while the lugs stayed still(this also happend on the drivers side after they got it off and put it back on). the fronts seem to be fine. so i had to drill all the studs out in order to save the rims. so i got all them off took the hubs off and and i am ready to put it back together but im afraid to put the rim back on even though i have the centering rims do you think its safe to put them back on now that i have centering rings? i dont wanna pay another 250 for hubs..


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Sounds like the wheels were re-drilled for the Focus lug pattern but it may have not been done accurately enough. The lug pattern being slightly off could be applying loads to the studs when the lug nuts are tightened and causing the studs and/or nuts to strip. Another thing to check is that the correct lug nuts are being used (thread pitch, diameter, etc). While its nice, wheels do not have to be hub centric. Wheels were lug centric for a long time before hub centric became the norm. Lug centric is usually good enough and is rarely noticeable under normal driving conditions. They just need to be carefully torqued in the correct sequence. Put on all the nuts hand tight first to make sure the wheel is properly centered then torque them in a cross pattern (opposite lugs). When you hand tighten the nuts (use a deep socket turned by your hand) and if it appears that the nuts are not properly aligning with the lug nut seats in the wheel, I'd take this as indication that things are amiss and wouldn't take a chance of using the wheels....sorry.

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do you think it may be due to putting them on the first time? they looked like they were pointing to the center the first time but seemed good to go when i put the centering ring on.. i would be really bummed if i couldnt put these back on ive got alot of money and time into these wheels..
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like i said the front is fine it was just the rears
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they didnt strip going on just coming off.. and i wasent the one whoo took the wheels off it was the kid at tire warehouse..he got one wheel off and put it back on but then it was junk but the other side wouldnt come off at all..
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Geezer mentioned the right procedure to check things & install them properly, it sounds like the "kid" at the warehouse, OR whoever last put nuts on, might have been the original problem.

If the fronts were OK, I'd check closely on the nuts used at the rear. Someone might have used the wrong ones sometime in the past....

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i put these wheels on.... im thinking the kids torqued em down to much or something..i just dont want to junk these rims..
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It's possible, just seen MORE times the wrong nuts were on - and sometimes worked OK for a while - often installed B4 the current owner did or had any work done on the car....

It's happened to friends recently, and seen it on this site recently as well.

One friend had a "new" used car for a year or so B4 it needed some work & we found one "buggered" nut & stud on a back wheel... who knows who did that.....

And a couple nuts that were "close enough" might go on & off more than once B4 finally being the cause of a problem, so I thought I'd mention the possibility...
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how would i be able to tell??? when i thread the nut on it goes on smooth until its against the rim...
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if it threads easily, and the threads of the bare stud look like a normal bolt, it's OK

it's hard to describe, but you won't get SMOOTH finger turning if it was forced on 'cause it didn't quite fit. The hard to describe part is the sharp or "galled" threads you see when it didn't match to begin with, along with possible sharp teeth or loose shavings depending on how bad the fit.

if they all look the same NOW, and all thread easily, they are fine.

If you can thread the nut down all the way without the wheel on & it goes smoothly, that proves the ones on now haven't been over-torqued appreciably, 'cause if they were the stretch between the hub & wheel would make the threads 'sticky" at the bottom past where the nut usually stops against the wheel.

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