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Old 10-03-2005, 01:46 AM   #1
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I don't know if this has been posted b4 but this was just something i discovered the other day while experimenting with downshifting. While riding around in my friends integra i noticed when he downshifted his car didn't nosedive and the car didn't hesitate at all. SO i asked him how he did it. And applied it to my car

First time i downshifted to second from 4th by holding the gas down and quickly shifting into second and letting it go .. i found that the car didn't nosedive or hesitate at all the rpms just flew to 6500 and all the way up to redline. I tried it in 3rd and the same thing happened. So just a alittle info to help anyone out who hates the nosedive the car takes when downshifting quickly.


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Old 10-03-2005, 01:55 AM   #2
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Feels good doesn't it?
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It's called matching revs, and the idea in all actuality is to match the appropriate engine RPM for the given gear in which you plan to downshift. Sometimes people use it for engine braking where the compression slows down the car (great for autocrossing when downshifting into first). Usually if you just gun your car when downshifting, you won't get the usual nosedive because you're engaging the engine to accelerate which shifts the weight backwards even with the abrupt deceleration due to the downshift.

It's a good technique to learn and vital to heel and toe shifting, but don't just randomly practice it. Check certain RPMs and speeds for a particular gear, and try matching the RPM with the throttle while shifting from higher gear to neutral (this is when you hit the gas pedal to match the particular rev you're looking for) and into the lower gear you're wanting. The reason why you want to practice with a gear and speed you know is because you don't want to wear out your clutch from the mistakes you'll make.

You can also due clutchless shifting. That's simply where you put the car in neutral (best to practice in sixth gear since the revs fall slower and are lower) and shift the stick into the appropriate gear after matching the RPMs needed for the gear. You should get a nice snitch. Otherwise, you'll get a great grinding noise. I've only practiced it in sixth gear about 4-5 times, and it's worked every time. I'm not brave enough to continually practice on the other gears.
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Old 10-03-2005, 07:11 AM   #4
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sure does... doesn't feel like the cars going to break something lol
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Hey, I'm not trying to sound like an ******* here, but you didn't know about rev matching? How long have you been driving stick...

2nd thing I ever did after learning how to get the car to move was learn how to rev match. I'm self taught btw, driving my car off the lot was first time behind manual for more than 90seconds.
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Yeah my first car had a completely trashed clutch, so I pretty much had to drive clutchless.

I've only done it a few times in the SVT, haven't really made it a habit.
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Hey, I'm not trying to sound like an ******* here, but you didn't know about rev matching? How long have you been driving stick...

2nd thing I ever did after learning how to get the car to move was learn how to rev match. I'm self taught btw, driving my car off the lot was first time behind manual for more than 90seconds.
i know about rev matching but i had never tried it while racing someone and downshifting. i was too scared i was gonna either miss or grind the gear. and ive been driving stick for only 2 years. First car was auto.
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I'm assuming you never down shifted and just braked in nuetral? And for turns didn't match revs? Ehh, guess you learned late, 2 years is an awful long time to not learn about matching revs, poor little car...
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Matching revs is pretty easy and I do it without thinking... pretty much learned how to drive stick in my SVT (owned for like 13 months).

It's pretty easy to shift without the clutch - even downshifting without the clutch is really no problem as long as the revs are low. I don't make a habit of shifting without the clutch, but it's nice to know how to do when the time comes!
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Old 10-04-2005, 01:49 AM   #10
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I'm assuming you never down shifted and just braked in nuetral? And for turns didn't match revs? Ehh, guess you learned late, 2 years is an awful long time to not learn about matching revs, poor little car...
Yes i have done that i learned that along time ago but i never did that during racing someone from a roll.. thats all i wastalking about i wasn't saying anything bout normal driving.
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