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Old 02-22-2005, 10:03 AM   #1
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hp/torque capacity of the 6 speed

how much torque(its torque after all that wins races and breaks axles) can the SVT 6 speed handle? how about the regular 5 speed? I am currently looking for a FWD ford or mazda tranny that can handle 500lbs of torque(or close to it, with a proper clutch of course) I have a SHO taurus 3.0L that I'm using in a custom project which happens to need a tough FWD tranny, the SHO tranny is worthless beyond the stock HP of the thing, and it seems the probe GT tranny isnt much better....so this is my next option...please tell me ford built this thing to be abused....thanks in advance for the help


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Ford didn't build the 6-speed tranny, Getrag did. I think the 6-speed is pretty close to the max capacity... at least I know it is for the MINI Cooper. It may have something to do with the dual-mass flywheel and weak clutch, but I don't know.

I don't know if anybody makes stronger tranny's, but maybe a Tremec T56 is what you should be looking at.
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Old 02-22-2005, 11:39 AM   #3
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The SVTF uses the Getrag model 285. It is also used by the Mini S and the, possibly the Audi TT if I'm not mistaken.

The Getrag 285 shouldn't have too much problem with horsepower. It's the torque that will get you. The Getrag 285 has a limited torque max of 225Nm (165 lb.ft.). Our SVTF's push 196Nm (145 lb.ft.) A far cry from the 500 you are looking for.

Take it for what you will. Obviously we have SVTF's producing 300 HP with the stock Getrag, and torque is bumped up a bit as well. I just don't know how well it will stand up and for how long.

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...please tell me ford built this thing to be abused....
{EDIT: To answer your hopeful question... Ford doesn't build anything to be abused. That's why they break all the time. Lucky for us Getrag built the tranny.}

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Old 02-22-2005, 12:09 PM   #4
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I don't think you can find a mass produced, OEM FWD tranny that can take 500 ft-lbs. You will have to go aftermarket, and then you will be looking at massive cost.
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The Getrag 285 has a limited torque max of 225Nm (165 lb.ft.). Our SVTF's push 196Nm (145 lb.ft.)
^^^Actually it's not even rated that high.^^^
Getrag states it's good for 210Nm which is 154.9lb-ft. (1Nm=.7375622lb-ft)
http://www.en.getrag.de/179/179

I'm not sure what the capacity is for the MTX-75.
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154.9lb-ft of torque sure isn't very much considering all the mods available for the SVTF. I wonder why they didn't make that tranny a little stouter. Granted the designers didn't have turbo's and Vortech's in mind at the time but still ... LOL
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Well, that rating does have a footnote:
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Funny thing, I looked at that site a few weeks ago, and it listed the SVT fOCUS with the Mini.
I suppose they dropped it, since Ford isn't building it anymore.
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Tom runs over 300whp in his SVT, the ONLY change in his tranny is the Quaife Differential.
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if you want to make it a bit stronger, you can always have the internals cryo treated, and quaife also has a dog engagement kit for the getrag 285. dog engagement gears are stronger than the standard helical gears used in 99% of all transmissions in passenger cars, but they make a lot more noise, and you don't have to use the clutch to shift gears. dog engagement is the type of trans gears that NASCAR and other high power racing cars use. you only need the clutch for first gear, but then you just "dog" it into the next.
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if you want to make it a bit stronger, you can always have the internals cryo treated, and quaife also has a dog engagement kit for the getrag 285. dog engagement gears are stronger than the standard helical gears used in 99% of all transmissions in passenger cars, but they make a lot more noise, and you don't have to use the clutch to shift gears. dog engagement is the type of trans gears that NASCAR and other high power racing cars use. you only need the clutch for first gear, but then you just "dog" it into the next.
You have a link to this quaife kit?

They are actually called dog gears because of how they mate, not the action of shifting w/o the clutch. Dog boxes tend to get tiresome on the street for daily use, but they hold the power like no other. I'd be interested in seeing a link for this.
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