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View Poll Results: What should I spend my precious money on?
FRPP Stage 2 Cams 12 54.55%
SCT XCal 2 flash tool 9 40.91%
Another item that would better match your current mods (please list in reply) 1 4.55%
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Old 01-28-2006, 12:55 PM   #1
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FRPP Stage 2 cams vs. SCT XCal2

Okay, with two kids and a wife that no longer works (not even part time), I am on a restricted budget this year for mods. And no, I am not bitching, I'm just giving you all some context. I plan one major mod this year of between $300 and $400. These were the two I was thinking of...

1) FRPP Stage 2 Cams
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2) SCT XCal 2 Flasher

PROS AND CONS

FRPP Stage 2 Cams
PROS:
1) Good low to mid range torque bump, which is what I want for daily driving
2) Keep everything else stock (no fuel octane change, etc.)
3) Nice sound change (from what I have heard)
CONS:
1) PITA to install compared to flash tool
2) Requires adjustable cam gears and dyno tune to take full advantage of

SCT XCal 2
PROS:
1) Easy to install
2) Custimizable for vehicle
3) HP and torque bump across the RPM range? (anyone have a dyno curve of their tune?)
CONS:
1) Have to run 91 octane
2) Don't have confirmed gains across RPM band... I don't want all of the benefit coming from 3000 to 6000 rpm revs.

Okay, so weigh in and help me out. Feel free to point out something I missed, and also feel free to recommend something else for me if you think it would work better with my set up (check my profile for set up).


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Old 01-28-2006, 01:18 PM   #2
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hmm...i would say the flasher mainly because theres no strings attached..your gonna end up spending around 1k before its all said and done with the cams..i spent 1300 after installation and everything
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How much would it cost a shop to install the FRPP 4.06 gears? That is another attractive option to boost at-the-wheels torque. Anybody do this mod through a shop?
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Old 01-28-2006, 01:34 PM   #4
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Only oun on 91 Octane Can't go any less?
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If I were you and in your particular situation, I'd wait to get the X-Cal2 and go with the cams. After you get the cams installed and buy a few more bolt-ons, then I would buy the SCT X-Cal2 and take your car to the dyno to get your cam gears dialed in and your sct programmed properly.

If you decide to go with the cams for now, they aren't necessarily a 'PITA' to install, but I think it's definitely worth the DIY job. I bought my FR Stage II's from McNew's and I was able to install them myself in about 2 hours time. Though if you go with the SCT, you could always dyno your car at a later time and have the tune reprogrammed then. Either modification is definitely worth doing though.

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If you decide to go with the cams for now, they aren't necessarily a 'PITA' to install, but I think it's definitely worth the DIY job. I bought my FR Stage II's from McNew's and I was able to install them myself in about 2 hours time.
Did you install the FRPP Stage 2's with or without cam gears? If you had cam gears, did you dyno them to dial in the proper timing? And do you have a how-to for install. The rest of my mods have been DIY, but as an engine engineer I am a bit reluctant to start diving into the guts of the engine. Sounds relatively easy, at least from the time commitment you put in.
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Nevermind the how-to question. I should have just clicked on your signature. I found it.
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I voted for the sct first. reason being you can optimize fuel & ign. maps plus get rid of a few annoying things: like the shift lite, EGR, speed gov., change revv. limiter.
you can also add a second base file on there for when you do get cams & just fine tune from there, you will want the idle raised with the cams. pulls like a SOB when you hit 2700 RPM and above, wow! I love mine just be sure to get the cams tuned when ya get them, I plan to do that soon also. enjoy BTW cams not that bad to install, just take your time!
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Okay, so does anyone have a dyno chart for cams w/o tuning? And how about the same for an SCT with EGR off? I am still strugling to understand if EGR off really does anything, as EGR is already off at WOT conditions.

If someone can show me cams with decent gains w/o tuning, I may be swinging that direction. DIY install doesn't sound TOO bad. Cams sound like fun. How's the idle and sound? Can I keep the base idle speed and still have it run?

If I am going to tune, I am going to try and only do it once - i.e. get the cams, the gears, and the SCT tuner and THEN go to the local dyno.

BTW, no one has answered my question on 4.06 gears. Seems like a pretty simple way to get more torque at the wheels, but it's likely a costly install. Anyone have experience in how much it would cost?
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you can get the xcal2 tuned for any octane not just 91. 91 is mainly for the ca people because thats the highest shit gas they sell at the pumps out here unlike on the east coast where you can get some good 93.
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