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Old 12-09-2005, 04:56 PM   #51
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The flipping planets all had to be in alignment for that to happen, atmospheric condition beyond prime and/or a tail wind like no other. If he can CONSISTENTLY hit 14.9, we have something. Like the adage says, the sun shines on even a dogs ass every once and a while.

P.S.; I am not knocking focusinalaska, simply the usage of a single slip that I have yet to see reproduced 3 or 4 times.
I've seen more than 10 slips posting between a 15.0-15.1 in stock svtfs *shrugs*

the guy who posted a 14.9 in fairbanks alaska. 400-800 ft above sea level in what is usually cool dry air from the sun shining almost 24 hours a day in the summer season
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:02 PM   #52
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okay, again I point out the 15.77 best.

There are ample drivers in SVTs in many conditions that have posted 15.0-15.1

.67-.87 seconds is a LONG time in the quarter mile to blame on tires or conditions, especially when your car is already modded to the max. If you want to talk about you being faster than an SVTF why not post your dyno from when your car was dyno tuned by your billet speed tuner. Surely you must have spent significant time on both dyno and real world driving conditions with it hooked up to a datalogger in order to get such an ungodly tune that it puts you above any other bolt on zx#
he tunes for drivability and power, not just power and yes we did spend quite a bit of time on the road datalogging. I didn't do a dyno because of his capability of road tuning and not having a dyno on hand.

and the 15.77 was a lot of spinning, and if I cut my 60' down to a 2.0 and ran in the cold weather like it is now I could run a low 15. The only time I ever see an SVT running those times, is when they cut a 2.0 60' and in cooler weather (makes sense). You do know the fact of cutting down your 60'. I think for every 1/10th you cut in it you cut a full tenth in the quarter...another common sense fact. I was spinning after the 60' too...

and did I say my tune was "ungodly" good...no...I said it was better than what most people think...it isnt cookie cuttered like half the tunes people have on here...so I reserve my car to better than any other zx3 with the same mods and a different tune...not every other bolt on zx3.

What I think YOU need to do, is get your panties out of a bundle, and not be so defensive about the ALL WONDERFUL SVT...the only way it will run low 15s consistently is with a very consistent driver and good weather/traction conditions.
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. . . . my panties aren't in a bundle. I'm just trying to get you to accept that even if you hit low 15s with your good traction/driving/weather it still won't be faster than an SVT because there is an SVT that 14.9x

show me a reputable slip of a bolt on ZX# that hit 14.90 or 14.8x and I'll shut my mouth, even if he did it 100ft below sea level with a 40mph gusting tail wind and a 1.9s 60'

All I want to hear you say is that your car isn't faster than the tuned SVT. Not that you can't beat dozens of people in dozens of different SVTs, but that car for car it's not faster. That's the point of this thread, it was the question proposed by the thread starter, and it's the point you continue to try and argue around with irrelevant data. A stock untuned SVTF pulled a faster quarter than any tuned maximum bolt on ZX# on record ever has. So clearly a tuned SVTF has nothing to worry about from his car's perspective, only his driving. Which should be significantly more focused with the ease of knowing his car is superior.
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:09 PM   #54
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Re: Modded N/A Zetec vs Stock SVT

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What chance does a normally-aspirated Zetec ZX3 have against a (nearly) stock SVT ZX5? Is there any combination of common mods and/or bolt-ons (besides S/C, Turbo or NOS!) that could give the ZX3 a chance against an SVT with only a Hypnotic tune? Assuming I don't completely choke? What if it was a 2.3L, any mods that could give an advantage over an SVT then?
here's the original post this thread revolves around, focus on the big letters.
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while you have a point, there is only one person on this site that has hit that, so the chances of him finding someone on the street that can hit that are slim to, well NONE. nobody is knocking the greatness of the SVT........geez, we Zetec guys are fighting amongst ourselves!!
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I am talking about a STOCK SVT...a tuned SVT would be a big difference, yes, I will admit that...

lets says this...if a bone stock SVT, and my car ran under the same conditions, pulling good traction...he would either pull me by about a 1/10th or we would be dead even...that is under perfect conditions, both drivers power shifting, etc...

like I said before, 9 times out of 10, on the street there wont be those perfect conditions.
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I am talking about a STOCK SVT...a tuned SVT would be a big difference, yes, I will admit that...

lets says this...if a bone stock SVT, and my car ran under the same conditions, pulling good traction...he would either pull me by about a 1/10th or we would be dead even...that is under perfect conditions, both drivers power shifting, etc...
which would make it a drivers race, with his car still faster than yours whether or not you win . . . especially since most street races go significantly faster than either car can reach in 1/4 and the top end HP of an SVT would really come out.


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like I said before, 9 times out of 10, on the street there wont be those perfect conditions.
okay, but you just acknowledged that your car completely modded and tuned out in perfect conditions would be low 15.xx in a quarter dash, and against a stock SVTF with a skilled driver that's not fast enough, which is still a loss. obviously anyone the thread starter races is going to be racing on the same road/weather he's on, which takes different conditions out of the equation. so the story remains the same, whether or not the SVTF is stock, it is a faster car than the ZX# unless the ZX# has head work, F/I etc. so he can rest easy when racing the ZX#

I'll state one more time, I fully believe that you have beaten an SVTF in street races. If you did it 938419874 more times in your career (including me driving my tuned SVTF) it wouldn't surprise me. but my one point, is that it still doesn't make your car faster.
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which would make it a drivers race, with his car still faster than yours whether or not you win . . . especially since most street races go significantly faster than either car can reach in 1/4 and the top end HP of an SVT would really come out.




okay, but you just acknowledged that your car completely modded and tuned out in perfect conditions would be low 15.xx in a quarter dash, and against a stock SVTF with a skilled driver that's not fast enough, which is still a loss. obviously anyone the thread starter races is going to be racing on the same road/weather he's on, which takes different conditions out of the equation. so the story remains the same, whether or not the SVTF is stock, it is a faster car than the ZX# unless the ZX# has head work, F/I etc. so he can rest easy when racing the ZX#

I'll state one more time, I fully believe that you have beaten an SVTF in street races. If you did it 938419874 more times in your career (including me driving my tuned SVTF) it wouldn't surprise me. but my one point, is that it still doesn't make your car faster.
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thank you :) now hopefully the thread starter updates us with the results after he races this weekend :)

edit: i go through the same thing you do though where I'm used to people critisizing kill stories. I've killed 2 magnum RTs and always get shit for it becaue they run mid 14s stock with a smart driver.
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I gotchya bro...I sometimes get headstrong and don't want to let off my argument lol...by the way, my tuner is actually my dad, lucky me
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