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Old 01-11-2015, 01:17 AM   #1
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Electric cars

Just wondering about electric cars. Would more people be interested in them if they had a lower price point? I have priced out a Focus electric, and it comes in around $40k. Now, what would the cost be if they eliminated most of the "luxury" and made it more like an S or SE.

What would it cost if it had 15" tires, single zone manual heating and air conditioning or no air conditioning, radio with MP3 port and 4 speakers, no ambient lighting, etc… To me, this is what you put in a daily long distance high end car, not something that is only on the road for less then 100km round trip.

I bet you could knock $10k off the initial price(and probably some weight to boot) by just making it an electric car. My commute is about 78km round trip, which is within its range(winter is different story).


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I wouldn't want one, even if it was free. I'd try it out & thats it. Could be good for other ppl, but not me.
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Minimal savings unfortunately.
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It is going to take awhile for batteries to get cheap enough. What I would like to see is more stuff using the Chevy Volt concept. Basically, a short range electric car with an onboard generator.

I think this is a great concept, but chevy made it way too heavy. They should have built it on a sonic platform with a 500cc engine.
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Buy used, and don't be afraid to travel and you can find low mileage electric cars for around $16k. Keep in mind that the supplied 110v charger takes 22 hours to fully recharge the battery. The 220v charger takes about 6 hours. Purchasing one of those from the dealer will cost you $3k or so, but you can purchase one from any hardware store online for less than $1k. Then you'll have to pay an electrician to run a new dedicated 220v outlet figure about $500 or so, but that depends on how your house is wired. If you only work an 8 hour day and drive about 20 miles to work one day, you can probably recharge using the 110v charger.

The Focus does better than the Leaf. Leafs have air cooled batteries. Air cooled batteries lose charge capacity in hot and cold weather. That means range depletion. But wait, there's more. Nissan keeps throwing around the fact that the Leaf was originally designed for 2 batteries instead of 1. Rumors state Nissan's intention to allow previous models to upgrade to the new battery system for about $10k est. That might end up being better than the Focus- even with range depletion. In response, Ford has been adamant that they do not have serious plans to design a purpose-built platform for hybrid/electric. That means that Ford will always be behind- and the amount of storage space that the Focus Electric and Energi cars lose is proof of that.

Before considering any electric vehicle, you should compare the cost. Of course, electric vehicles need very few fluids. There is coolant which will have to be changed every 150k miles or so, but that's about it. With an old car that has been sitting, you can guarantee it wouldn't be intelligent to drive it off the lot without new tires. You should also have some sort of tow plan through your insurance- NO electric car comes with a spare tire. I have a 23 mile trip to work, 46 miles RT. At current gas costs, it runs me $3 per day to drive to work at 30 mpg. The FE has a 23kwh battery which takes it 76 miles. .303 miles per kwh approximate. This doesn't take into account any recharging while driving, nor any climate control use. 13.94 kwh per RT to work, at my current utility costs, it will run me .9 cents per kwh, so it would cost me about 13 cents per day to go back and forth to work. Apply the same formula to your area, and find out what it would cost you before you decide, and don't rely on the extras like no oil changes or recharge while driving to make your decision.

Yes, I know my electrical costs are VERY low. I think we're the lowest in the nation. Our utility company is still a co-op, and not a privately owned company. Everyone should have that. The dumbest thing that the people of this country have allowed politicians to do is selling off utilities to private companies. Utilities should be co-ops, period. Our unscrupulous mayor tried to sell MLGW to a private company, set himself and his son up as advisors for $200k per year salary for 10 years, and fortunately lawyers came out pro-bono. The charter specifically said that the utility belonged to the people of Memphis, and the mayor did not have the authority to sell the utility. That makes me wonder how many other areas were duped because nobody stepped up to fight for truth.
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Not for me. Think they have more to learn
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