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View Poll Results: How much are you willing to pay for the MK2 Ford Focus ST?
$15,000-$17,000 186 6.20%
$17,001-$20,000 255 8.51%
$20,001-$23,000 963 32.12%
$23,001-$26,000 913 30.45%
$26,001-$29,000 218 7.27%
$29,001-$32,000 155 5.17%
$32,001-$35,000 81 2.70%
$35,001-$38,000 56 1.87%
Would not buy it 171 5.70%
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Old 12-18-2005, 04:26 AM   #151
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I don't know...the Volvo S40 with the turbo I-5 and AWD w/6 speed gearbox has potential, and is probably the closest to a high-performance sport compact that Ford is going to make (unless they make a Mazdaspeed Mazda 3 with a turbo and AWD drivetrain.) But the S40 with an upgraded tune/larger turbo and suspension wouldn't be that bad of a car, even if it is more of a lurxury model.

Regardless, the best we're ever going to get here in the 'states as far as the Focus is concerned has already come and gone; the SVT was a knockoff of the ST170, and you can bet they won't be making another SVT Focus based on the MkII ST. Hell, they won't even bring the C1 Focus over. I wouldn't be surprised if the next US "Focus" is a radically different design from the orginial MkI version initally imported in 2000, yet nowhere close to the Euro version; something akin to what they did with the Escort after 1995.

I'm sure I speak for many when I say my next purchase will not be a Focus unless Ford takes a radically different direction with the car.
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Old 12-18-2005, 09:07 PM   #152
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The SVT was a knockoff of the ST170? This has been a question lingering in my mind for some time now, and this might be the time to ask. Who developed the 2.0L Zetec for the ST/SVT Focus? Was the dual-stage intake done by SVT along with the 4-2-1 header or what?

Everywhere I've read, it says SVT developed or "added" the parts, so who receives the acclaim on this one?
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:55 AM   #153
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The SVT is nearly a direct import of the ST170...Ford of Europe did almost all the work. When you look at the two the features are identical, and Europe had the ST170 nearly a year before the SVT released in the US. Put the dots together and what do you arrive at? The only major difference between the SVT and the ST170 is appearance and "luxury" items (like headlight washers and a nicer interior.)
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Fine, but can you point us to a definitive source of information that says this? I've never seen any sources of credibility (i.e. not someone on a message board) that says SVT just slapped their name on a product developed by someone else. Couldn't it also be argued that Ford of Europe did most of the work on the Focus, period?
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As far as Ford of Europe being able to claim most of the work on the Focus, I'm in full agreement. Sure, they had to make some changes to make it street-legal in the United States, but the '00-'04 was a near direct import of the '99-'01 Euro Focus.

As far as the SVT and ST170 being the same...the figures speak for themselves. Both have the same 10.2:1 CR Zetec (called the Duratec in Europe) with VCT on the intake side, with the same header and the same DSI, dual-mass flywheel and six-speed Getrag gearbox. Aside from different wheels, bumpers, foglights and luxury items (as already mentioned) the two cars are carbon copies. If you recall, Ford didn't even begin selling the SVT in the US until early summer of 2002, while the Europeans got the '02 ST170 at the same time the rest of the '02 line launched.

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If you check the news archive (here on FF) there's an article from Car and Driver from January of 2002 about the SVTF, and they state that the SVT team " fought to keep the U.S. edition of this mini-marauder from becoming a watered-down version of the European Focus ST170." So if they fought for the car to not be less than the ST170, wouldn't that indicate that the ST170 came first? I'm not trashing the SVT because its an "Americanized" version of the ST170...hell, I'd be happy if Ford did more imports like that. I'm just pointing out that the best Focus that we'll ever see was a near carbon-copy of the ST170.

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I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want to see someone besides you say it, someone preferably at Ford who knows what they are talking about. Maybe I'll contact SVT and see if anyone can shed some light on the topic. I know the cars are essentially the same, but to me that doesn't mean it was Europe who was responsible for the work. SVT has to have had some input in this car, they don't really strike me as a "badge job" operation.
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See my edit in my previous post...
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That same article also uses wording that suggests SVT was responsible for some of the equipment. But the SVT Contour was essentially an identical twin to the Mondeo ST200, so... that's two examples of cars that just "happened" to have identical European twins. I guess I will agree that the SVTC and SVTF are cars designed for Europe and tweaked for sale in America.
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^^Yes, my point exactly. I'm familiar with the ST170 and the similarities between it and the SVT. I was more or less looking for direct source information over who developed what for the car. Other curiousities, are the suspensions the same (same spring rates and dampers)? And the release dates for the cars are so close, that it may suggest Ford (of the U.S.) had to perform further crash development and design tweaks (both aesthetically and fundamentally) that it delayed the release of the car to the U.S. market.

I can't help but wonder if there's a connection between Ford in the U.S. and Ford of Europe in this project - maybe a joint project. It's not important so much as to who gets credit, but more or less to know if SVT can and possibly did tweak a car that's desired by Europeans.
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Its possible that it was a joint venture between SVT and FoE's performance division, but I would guess that since the ST170 came out first it was mostly FoE's project. That, and SVT's specialty seems to be squeezing power out of boosted V-8's and not high-compression I4s.
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