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View Poll Results: How much are you willing to pay for the MK2 Ford Focus ST?
$15,000-$17,000 186 6.20%
$17,001-$20,000 256 8.53%
$20,001-$23,000 963 32.10%
$23,001-$26,000 913 30.43%
$26,001-$29,000 218 7.27%
$29,001-$32,000 155 5.17%
$32,001-$35,000 81 2.70%
$35,001-$38,000 56 1.87%
Would not buy it 172 5.73%
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Old 12-04-2005, 08:29 PM   #141
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:33 AM   #142
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Originally posted by Lil PZEV

Wow that is very expensive, even for the ST.

About how much does your cheapest Ford cost? Because as you might know, the Focus is Ford's "bottom of the barrel" over here. Or at least, that's the way some view it as, since it's the cheapest model.
Fiesta is our cheapest Ford. It costs with 1.3l engine 15 500$. It's much smaller than Focus.
Cheapest Focus costs about 21 000$. It has 1.4l engine. Quite a slow... Basic 2.0 3D focus costs 30 000$.

Even small cars are expensive here!
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Old 12-07-2005, 09:49 PM   #143
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As nice as that car is, I still prefer the RS as far as styling is concerned. If people overseas are paying 25 to 30k, then I definitely would not buy one. So far, I've paid 19 for my SVT (which I now own outright), and will be adding a powerworks charger for 5k.
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Old 12-11-2005, 07:00 AM   #144
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Originally posted by Lil PZEV
Just a little FYI, but Sascha's a man.
I knew that too, not sure how or why an s slipped in there the other day. Prolly had just got home from work =/
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:50 PM   #145
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i LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:28 AM   #146
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:00 AM   #147
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Originally posted by 2004SVTAutoXer
Upon sending Ford the following email:
Just wanted to say that I think the European Focus ST is an incredibly well done product, and would love to see it brought to the US market. It has a lot more personality than the Volvo S40.
I got the following reply:
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Thank you for contacting the Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center regarding the Euro Ford Focus.

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I've lost my faith in American car companies with decisions like this. If all your best models are in Europe, why should we buy your cars? They're too brain dead to even offer a literate response from their overpaid CSRs.

Until Ford produces something appealing I'll be purchasing foreign manufactured vehicles.
They don't have to tell you why they aren't going to sell it here. Obviously, there is no market for it. Just because there is 200 people on a forum who claim they are willing to pay premium for it. That's not enough, to risk competing with other high performance models they other high performance model (Mustang).

It is kind of absurd to think that these small group of people know more about the marketing of these vehicles than the executives who have been active in the idustry their whole lives. No one here is exposed to the same material they are.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:10 AM   #148
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If there's no market for a high performance sport compact, then why are the other two US makers able to sell their respective high-performance compacts (Cobalt SS and the SRT-4)? Not to mention the WRX/STi and its not like Ford had any problems selling the SVT Focus.

The answer isn't that there's no market for a performance sport compact...its that Ford constantly panders to the Mustang crowd. For example, can you name the highly-popular Ford two door midside coupe that was cancelled in the mid-90's when its sales began to eclipse the Mustang's? Remember the Probe? Sure the name was stupid as hell, but it wasn't a bad car...and talking of boneheaded marketing have a car that's selling well, but in keeping with protecting the company "flagship" vehicle you cancel the line. Yeah...take a successful-selling vehicle and trash it because you want to protect the Mustang. Lets face it; Ford is never going to sell anything in the US or Canada that will give a Mustang a run for its money off the lot, excluding the GT (which isn't exactly affordable to the general public, or readily available.)

And speaking of the executives "knowing what they're doing" as far as marketing is concerned...I seriously doubt Ford would be in as much trouble as they are right now if the executives could successfully run the company.
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Old 12-16-2005, 01:33 AM   #149
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What constitutes "highly-popular" anyway? They sold a little over 830,000 Probes over the span of 8 years... that's good but doesn't qualify as "highly-popular" to me. The figures I found suggested that only 32,505 Probes were sold in 1997, the last year for the Probe. I don't even have to look to know they sold more Mustangs in the same model year. So how was it about to "eclipse" the sales of the Mustang?
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Old 12-18-2005, 02:17 AM   #150
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the old voice of reason here again ya'll...

i love my 02 svt focus. i named him lucky. 13 grand at south bay ford in hermosa 1 yr ago, about 2 grand in mods this yr, and it is a little beast. in a good way, of course...

now, to the q at hand. i would only pay about 15k, max. let someone else swallow a couple yrs depreciation. because you can get a used 350 z for like 22k, a used wrx sti for about the same, not mention a must gt for super frickin cheap!

now these are different cars then the foci, true. the only real comp is the mini cooper s works, which is god awful expensive, and silly lookin to boot. the volvo has the quality, but no sporting pedigree. not only will the other american small cars depreciate/fall apart/ torque steer like hell, but they ugly...

which brings up me next topic! i've driven everything, my dad worked for porsche for 35 yrs, i kinda been around. even with modern electronics, no fwd should be asked to handle more than 250 hp. more power ain't the answer guys. engineers at lotus know that. it's control. now if ford would offer a 4wd rs here, that's a whole other shootin match...

whew! thanks fellas! t*
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