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Old 09-29-2011, 06:08 PM   #1
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Arrow organic or ceramic?

Well guys I have took my MTX75 out of the 03 2.3l zx3. And wow was she ready for it.



Clutch plate is just gone.


Flywheel seems to be okay though, take a pad to it to clean it up a little, but it's good.


So as the title says Organic clutch plate, or Ceramic clutch plate. Which is better?


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Old 09-29-2011, 06:11 PM   #2
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BTW just to add because some people helped me lower this out in another thread, but I had to lower the sub-frame, and tilt the motor a hell of a lot to get clearance.

I wish I would have listened to you guys a long time ago, this trans would have been out and half way done by now.
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What clutch disc, there's nothing left? lol
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Exactly man, the pressure plate side has no padding left what so ever, and the flywheel side has just a sliver left on it, and to add on top of that, the slave cylinder was defiantly why me clutch pedal was only going half way down.

You should see all that black crap that went all over the bell housing, I practically filled a plastic grocery bag with it. lol
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^^I believe you. Your lucky that the pressure plate didn't fly apart or something.
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Black crap= burnt friction material mmmmm asbestos. Some of the organic compounds make me wonder if they are asbestos. You know asbestos is organic, and naturally occurring.

Ceramic if you can find it is good, but if your car is not going to have more mods than it has now, I'd just get a typical stock replacement. A new flywheel is going to set you back as it is. I'm not looking forward to this job myself, but we'll see how long this clutch lasts. My current record is 160k miles, and I'm at 130k with this car. DMF clutches suck big time. We should be thankful that we can pick up one for our vehicles for less than $1k. If you can find a single mass flywheel replacement clutch kit- then that's what I'd consider, however you should look for one that has been designed specifically for the application, and is sufficient. It probably won't be cheap, but should be cheaper than a new DMF and clutch kit.

Slave cylinders should always be replaced with any clutch that uses a plastic slave. You want to have some envy? I replaced a friend's Cavalier clutch with Rock Auto parts: Flywheel= $35, slave = $35 clutch kit = $75. I don't think you can even get a Dtec clutch kit for that much, but I haven't looked.
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Well right now I have a CAI and a exhaust, I plan to put a header on soon. But that should be it for a while.

As for my flywheel, I'm going to clean it up a little bit, and measure it tomorrow, but it looks good other then what you see, no delaminating from what I can tell.
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Get the flywheel surfaced................
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You can't resurface DMF. Those must be replaced. Sorry, but that's how it is. It totally sucks.

I take that back, you CAN re-use it, if you really want to, but don't cry if you only get a few months out of it. I mean really, who knows, it might last longer- but you're taking a big chance that could cost more than a clutch. DMF's are basically 2 separate flywheels connected by a spring loaded system to absorb vibrations from either the engine to drivetrain or the drivetrain to the engine. If the flywheel itself breaks, springs can come out and damage the engine block behind the flywheel. You can imagine what a high tensile steel piece being forced with thousands of pounds of pressure on the cast aluminum block might do when even cast iron diesel blocks were damaged beyond repair from DMF failures.

Unfortunately that's what we have. The best prices I found were on Rock auto, and it looks like that would run about $600 without shipping. That's on par with what you can get a clutch from C-F-M if you want to go with an AL flywheel. I'd do a lot of asking around in the FI forum- even though you're NA- to see which HP clutches are working for them. I seem to remember there were problems with Clutch Master's kits.

Best of luck bro, but this is a Ca-ching sort of thing from what I understand. Anything that makes you envy a Cavalier is bad.
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Seriously, I haven't looked into this myself, but I'm definitely going to have to start doing some more research. I don't want to spend a ton on a new clutch when it comes around, but it appears that it's really not that much more to purchase an aluminum flywheel clutch kit than it is to get a DMF and clutch kit. Why the hell not right? I'm not typically a person to suggest AL flywheels because it's not the best for street driving- especially if you live in hilly country clutch life can be drastically reduced- but there's not much of a discount to go back with a stock DMF, and it's not like the rest of the car is going to last forever either. Really, CFM's price on a Fidanza wheel is $413, and RockAuto's price on an OEM DMF is $341.
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