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Old 08-19-2014, 12:27 PM   #31
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Don't forget about the tuning hardware/software as well. That's another $400!
He needs the tune regardless of the direction he goes. So we need to assume that's a cost that is not part of the equation of going with cam gears vs cams.

Also the fact that most people recommend the Comp Camps Stage 3 SKU: 108300. I would not run those with out upgraded valve train and there is potential for needing clearance and head work no matter what cam (other than stage 1, due to the interference that is possible with non dimensional controlled parts of the casting).

He gets the tune as he needs, then gets him self a set of used cam gears for $150. he can see a 10-15 HP increase and better position of the power band for under $400.

you put cams in there your looking at over $1k

yes he will get more benefit from cams. but if he does cams he also needs EVERYTHING else he would need just for the gears + more parts. He is a college kid things come up even if he eats Chinese noodles for every meal crap happens and should gradually build up to it. IMHO.
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Old 08-19-2014, 03:12 PM   #32
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I don't like to assume things... it tends to make an ass out of people.

Any money required to get his car from where it is now to where he is going is part of the overall cost. No need for assumptions there!

I dropped in a set of stage 2 cams without requiring any valve train upgrades or adjustable cam gears..... I didn't even spring for the $400 tune and they ran great. I never had any mechanical issues... Lever 3 is a bit much for a college kid on a budget! You will need more than a $30 CAI and $160 exhaust to get any use out of them.

Anywho, I'm done here.
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No one said it wouldnt run with just throwing parts at an engine , anyone can do that

Question is how much better would it of run ( and it would of ) how much more HP and Tq would it of made ( a good bit ) how much safer would your engine of been ( some to good bit ) just because you got away with doing it doesnt mean it was right or that your engine was safe

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Old 08-19-2014, 04:29 PM   #34
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Guys I put a drop in k&n in my stock system

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Why do you need adjustable cam gears?

The stock gears are infinitely adjustable, just put a reference mark on them before you start...............
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Though that may he true... It sounds sketchy
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Why do you need adjustable cam gears?

The stock gears are infinitely adjustable, just put a reference mark on them before you start...............
because you want to be able to adjust the cams with out having to take off the valve cover....

In theory you could adjust them (although you wont know the degree change) by using a key on one end and lessening the large Torx bolt on the other rotate the Key 1 direction or the other and then Tighten down.

But once again that would require the valve cover off every time you need to do an adjustment. the time it would take and the # of gaskets and chance for leaks you would still be better off in buying $200 gears because you would spend more than that in extra Dyno time and hassle doing it the other way.
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No one said it wouldnt run with just throwing parts at an engine , anyone can do that

Question is how much better would it of run ( and it would of ) how much more HP and Tq would it of made ( a good bit ) how much safer would your engine of been ( some to good bit ) just because you got away with doing it doesnt mean it was right or that your engine was safe

Nothing like doing it right !

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My AFRs were spot on and my engine was ruining without issues. My engine was completely safe! You're not the only tuner in town and just because I didn't tune it with your product doesn't mean I wasn't monitoring all the crucial sensors and outputs.

It's funny that you always seem to talk about power gains and tuning. When all of my MPG posts have me making better fuel economy than most Focus owners. And this 01 2.0L Zetec engine is in a larger and heavier SUV. I would imagine that in order to have increased fuel economy my power must have been increased as well.
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How is it you checked for optimal cam timing with your scan tool , you stated you didnt spring for the tune so it was tuned or it wasnt tuned ? I never said I was the only tuner those are your words , Most all of my customers report good gains with my tuning , whats your point ?

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Fswerks has one but the dude only tunes cars with a store bought mods list.

There are local people who tune too, but they do everything and charge more than the focus dudes on here and fj.
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