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Old 06-19-2014, 04:12 PM   #41
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I'm surprised you haven't played the Subaru card yet.
All you have to say to thwart that is "head gasket"
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lol horizontally opposed head gaskets.
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Wait, did you just call me wise.... most people prefer the term wise

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"Reidk" said it the best: "...if you fix that one fatal flaw it's a good motor".
Credit where due: Crazy_urn said it first in this forum, but I've said exactly the same thing previously, which is why I consider him so wise.

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I'm surprised you haven't played the Subaru card yet.
Meh, subaru's have their fair share of issues. Just because I drive one doesn't mean I'm a fanboy.

(Though i have to admit, that rumble.. ooooh its good.)
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I am a big fan of Subaru. I almost bought one for my wife not that long ago. Despite their one fatal flaw, they are very good vehicles.
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reminds me of another vehicle
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Nice to see you guys having some fun here.

323 was a decent car in it's day BTW, came close to buying one once & ended up with an X1/9 for something a bit sportier. Didn't figure on a comparison to a JDM version.

Starting to see some high mile Duratecs chewin' rod bearings & tossing rods through the block. Everything breaks somewhere eventually and a few go sooner than the average.

As we know, SPI is more than a few. Still, it's an interesting 2V hemi head single cam engine - even has hydraulic tappet setup that none of the other Focus engines can brag about. Too bad keeping those valves adjusted doesn't help keep their seats in place.
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'...if you fix that one fatal flaw it's a good motor'

Just irritating as hell that they never addressed that at ALL. Once they designed the basic design away from the early EXP engines that routinely exploded as soon as belt jumped they had a solid engine that could have really bumped up their image in the real world but they don't lift a finger to cure the ONLY real issue left there. I can't come to any other conclusion other than planned obsolescence there. They made an engineering guess as to 150-200K miles average life there and came up a bit short, whoops too late to go back and fix that! We certainly don't want cars lasting longer than that, already have that problem now!

A car can be a dog power wise but there is a certain segment of the population that will buy one that runs and runs and runs and nothing can stop it. I know I would. Focus cars were made back when Ford pretty much was the value car leader as well, and comparing Japanese models of anything that cost an immediate 20% more is indeed 'apples to oranges'.

Ford now going to the other end price wise but still with same quality issues and the things they do like up at top of my post are why I've pretty much bought my last Ford. The little things they do over and over to not bring the cars down, rather to just add up to big piles to irritate you enough to go looking for another car will have me going elsewhere from now on.

I've run their stuff since '74 and it just seems to get worse and worse. There is a mindset there that goes beyond the repeat bad things all manufacturers do by accident, way too much of it seems coolly calculated to me. You can see it in every broken part you pull off the cars almost, just look at the 'almost but not quite enough' engineering there. You can find something that could be corrected with very little cost increase or effort at all. Or much of it will be correct in earlier, but they then 'correct' it to make it worse in later versions of the same model. That crap is intentional.

I would myself love to drive an SPI that didn't drop valveseats.............
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'...if you fix that one fatal flaw it's a good motor'

Just irritating as hell that they never addressed that at ALL. Once they designed the basic design away from the early EXP engines that routinely exploded as soon as belt jumped they had a solid engine that could have really bumped up their image in the real world but they don't lift a finger to cure the ONLY real issue left there. I can't come to any other conclusion other than planned obsolescence there. They made an engineering guess as to 150-200K miles average life there and came up a bit short, whoops too late to go back and fix that! We certainly don't want cars lasting longer than that, already have that problem now!

A car can be a dog power wise but there is a certain segment of the population that will buy one that runs and runs and runs and nothing can stop it. I know I would. Focus cars were made back when Ford pretty much was the value car leader as well, and comparing Japanese models of anything that cost an immediate 20% more is indeed 'apples to oranges'.

Ford now going to the other end price wise but still with same quality issues and the things they do like up at top of my post are why I've pretty much bought my last Ford. The little things they do over and over to not bring the cars down, rather to just add up to big piles to irritate you enough to go looking for another car will have me going elsewhere from now on.

I've run their stuff since '74 and it just seems to get worse and worse. There is a mindset there that goes beyond the repeat bad things all manufacturers do by accident, way too much of it seems coolly calculated to me. You can see it in every broken part you pull off the cars almost, just look at the 'almost but not quite enough' engineering there. You can find something that could be corrected with very little cost increase or effort at all. Or much of it will be correct in earlier, but they then 'correct' it to make it worse in later versions of the same model. That crap is intentional.

I would myself love to drive an SPI that didn't drop valveseats.............
I can see where you are coming from. all our fords were like that. it all started with my moms 2002 Taurus. why mount the coil pack on the valve cover for instance, it's like they want them to crack. and the cvh has had valve seat problems since the early 90s if not earlier. there was plenty of time to fix the issue. But!... I hear all the time that this issue started getting more wide spread since the engine got bored out to a 2.0 in (was it 1997?) in the escort. and even more wide spread in the focus in 2000. here is the issue though, wasn't the focus one of fords best selling cars? they sold a HUGE amount of them (quite a few with the spi). that means there are going to be more problems known because more cars were made. and I still think that the valve seat drop has something to do with something else. it just won't drop for no reason. something has to happen first. rapid heating and cooling down maybe? overheating?
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