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Old 06-19-2014, 12:09 PM   #31
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Thanks "sailor" for your comment. Yes, I seriously thought about junking the car after the valve seat problem. But after I took a long, hard look at the car I realized that, besides the valve seat problem, it's basically a good car with no other serious problems. It got me to 100K miles before this. Like I said, "I love this car" even though it had a problem. "Reidk" said it the best: "...if you fix that one fatal flaw it's a good motor".
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Old 06-19-2014, 01:43 PM   #32
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Rose colored glasses it looks like.

'89 323 had only 1.6 avail. at 82 hp. and a rated best of 28-33 Hwy.

110 hp for the SPI rollin' a heavier car & still getting better mpg would be a fail?
My grandfather's 323 was imported from japan. It was right-hand-drive.

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Old 06-19-2014, 02:44 PM   #33
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My grandfather's 323 was imported from japan. It was right-hand-drive.
Apples and oranges....
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Old 06-19-2014, 03:59 PM   #34
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.......Maybe I was being too subtle......
No you're fine. I got the tongue-in-cheek comment also but I was trying to not encourage the urinating contest (distance wise), Girth and Length no match either. Lol.

Since we are talking gas mileage maybe Viper would like to know I regularly get 37 to 39+ mpg highway through mountain terrain. That's 200 miles round trip, 5k feet through 11k feet to 8k feet and back again. Figured the old fashion way: pencil, paper and a slide rule.

Maybe the SPI was meant to be a mountain economy car?
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Apples and oranges....
I dont see how. What does geography have to do with an engine's capabilities?


Point here is that there are engines 10+ years older than the SPI that are smaller, stronger, more efficient, and more reliable than the SPI engine.
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I dont see how. What does geography have to do with an engine's capabilities?


Point here is that there are engines 10+ years older than the SPI that are smaller, stronger, more efficient, and more reliable than the SPI engine.
Different country, different time, different market, different regulations. Not saying the 1.8 you are referring to is not a great engine, I know nothing about it, it is just not directly comparable to any US engine. Unless both designs play by the same rules, there is no point in comparing them.

That would be like comparing the Focus ST to the RS and saying the ST is a crappy engine because the RS is better.... . Yes the RS is better, but it is not in the same market, and therefore does not play by the same rules. You might as well compare the Spurs and the Yankees and tell me which team would win in a game of soccer.

Yes, there are engines that are better than the SPI. But I would challenge you to compare apples to apples. can you find me another $10k 2000-2004 econobox with an engine that is far superior to the SPI?

The SPI is a good, strong motor with one major (PREVENTABLE) flaw. Outside of the valve seat, it does exactly what it was designed to do for a very long time. It is a good motor. but obviously not the best motor.
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Old 06-19-2014, 04:57 PM   #37
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honda civic, toyota corolla, take your pick.
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honda civic, toyota corolla, take your pick.
ew. the 1zz engine in the corolla had no torque. not to mention the fact that the vvti system failed on my friends (cam issue )and they won't switch profiles. it only has 100k miles on it too. the honda D series engines are interference engines. also I think they have valve seal problems. vtec lol
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honda civic, toyota corolla, take your pick.
I'm surprised you haven't played the Subaru card yet.
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honda civic, toyota corolla, take your pick.
The Honda DX had 5 more HP and 2 more MPG highway. Not exactly earth shattering.

The Corolla had numbers comparable to a zetec, but was considerably more expensive than an SPI, IIRC. (At least it was when I purchased my LX in 03)

And as mandroid said, neither is really a pillar of reliability.
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