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Old 06-17-2014, 07:42 PM   #11
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.......I'm not trying to sound like a hater, but from a car-enthusiast's point of view, the SPI is about as interesting as a Prius.
But they are extremely easy to work on, even in the worst of times . For even the most novice of mechanics. It may be just where your passion isn't.
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They would be absolutely excellent cars and I don't understand Fords' walking away from them when a fix would have been so easy. Not like every other make out there repeats valve seat dropping over and over. (Actually I DO understand but it requires me to be so cynical that I do not want to go there at all.)

Some SPI will NEVER do it but that doesn't make anyone who does the research feel any better when they discover the issue. Usually AFTER they have the car. To me car research on your exact model is a joy to do, or should be, you are getting a leg up on what will probably happen in the future so that you can work things out to the betterment of you. Not much of that gonna happen here unless you just grin and bear it and it either happens or it doesn't. What about those who want to take a long trip? What about the reliability factor when you let your younger child drive one late at night coming back from work?

In my view this all goes back to Ford and the outside worlds' perception of the way it does things. I suggest that anyone who has ever been burned with one of these vote with next car purchase to not go to a company that does that so in your face as if to emphasize 'you'll take what we give you or else'. No excuse for such a major manufacturer to act like that.

It's about more than a simple engine there.............
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But they are extremely easy to work on, even in the worst of times . For even the most novice of mechanics. It may be just where your passion isn't.
Well that's a relief, at least when the engine invariably does break down, you have something interesting to look forward to besides meeting Jim, the AAA tow guy.
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I'm not trying to sound like a hater, but from a car-enthusiast's point of view, the SPI is about as interesting as a Prius.
Back in the day there were several turbo SPI's running around. Yes, they required custom fabrication, but with enough patience and know how, this engine can be something. The stock block can actually handle higher boost than the zetec can. aluminum vs. cast iron block....

It is not as easy as just calling Turbo Tom and dropping the cash, but to compare the SPI to a Prius is a little unfair.
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to compare the SPI to a Prius is a little unfair.
Adding a turbo to the SPI changes the equation substantially.

Strap a turbo on a prius and it also increases in cool-factor exponentially.

(Yes, i have seen a turbo prius, it looked bone stock, but was making 350whp. It was a hilariously epic sleeper)


But, sans heavy aftermarket modifications, the SPI engine struggles to see tripple-digits on the dyno.

No power
No reliablility
No soul
No thanks.
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:44 PM   #16
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Well, my '03 Focus SE just hit 100K miles and I was happy to hit that milestone. Then, 200 miles later it thanks me by dropping the #2 intake valve seat. No warning, was just starting it up in the garage to move it outside. Immediately shut it down after hearing the horrendous noise & shaking like a 10.0 earthquake. Pulled the head off and sure enough...#2 intake seat was in pieces, piston top & cylinder head mangled. Noticed piston top was slightly tilted so, for peace of mind, dropped the oil pan & removed piston #2. Piston was cracked around the wrist pin area, ring lands crushed & rod bent...cylinder wall was okay. Anyway, I love this car and hated to junk it so I replaced the piston & rod and sent the head out for repairs. Machine shop did fabulous job with the head and they replaced all intake seats. Put the engine back together, fired it up and it runs great. Total cost was a little over a grand but it's still cheaper than buying another car. I'm a firm believer that the seat will drop for no apparent reason. I take care of my Focus and don't abuse it, change oil every 3K miles & do "over-maintenance" on it. Hopefully, it'll go another 100K miles with the hardened steel seats. If you're gonna repair your SPI don't forget to thoroughly clean out the intake manifold as I found some chunks of seat material in there...hate to have it sucked into your rebuilt motor and BOOM!
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Adding a turbo to the SPI changes the equation substantially.

Strap a turbo on a prius and it also increases in cool-factor exponentially.

(Yes, i have seen a turbo prius, it looked bone stock, but was making 350whp. It was a hilariously epic sleeper)


But, sans heavy aftermarket modifications, the SPI engine struggles to see tripple-digits on the dyno.

No power
No reliablility
No soul
No thanks.
I don't know what you mean about no soul? sorry, didn't understand that comment.

No reliability? One preventable flaw makes an engine garbage? that is like saying the SVT has no reliability because of the timing belt.... give me a break.

no power is a correct statement. But does 20 more HP make the zetec an amazing engine?

The SPI was designed as (and always intended as) an economic engine. It never was (and never will be, short of heavy modification) a performance engine. It does not have the aftermarket support of other focus engines, but it is not worthless.

This argument has been debated a million times in the history of this forum, and it seems like every time the SPI is disparaged as the worst engine in the history of internal combustion. That is simply not reality. It is a good motor.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:59 PM   #18
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Can someone please help me? I seem to have taken a wrong turn. I was looking for the SPI Performance forum.


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Old 06-18-2014, 05:21 PM   #19
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If you've had the chance to talk with a machine shop that has been around awhile about dropped seats - they can give you a list of makes and models that have suffered the problem. For the sake of nostalgia and trivia it isn't isolated to Ford or the Focus.

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Well that's a relief, at least when the engine invariably does break down, you have something interesting to look forward to besides meeting Jim, the AAA tow guy.
This Focus has only been towed once. That was around 30k miles. And it wasn't for a failed OEM fuel pump but rather an improperly installed replacement fuel pump under warranty. Using your logic the wife should have separated herself from the car at 30k miles? I'm sure a few other Focus model owners are glad you weren't around to share the wisdom. My wife's valve seat dropped nearly 70k mikes ago in the driveway. Say hello to your friend Jim for her - wasn't the guys name either that showed up for the fuel pump issue.

reidk - plenty of performance threads here, maybe just not this one issue you're looking for?
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I don't know what you mean about no soul? sorry, didn't understand that comment.

No reliability? One preventable flaw makes an engine garbage? that is like saying the SVT has no reliability because of the timing belt.... give me a break.
Actually, I think the SVT engine is pretty crap too. That is partially why i sold my focus.

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no power is a correct statement. But does 20 more HP make the zetec an amazing engine?
No, but Ive seen more than a few zetecs click over 300k miles without a hitch.

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The SPI was designed as (and always intended as) an economic engine. It never was (and never will be, short of heavy modification) a performance engine. It does not have the aftermarket support of other focus engines, but it is not worthless.

This argument has been debated a million times in the history of this forum, and it seems like every time the SPI is disparaged as the worst engine in the history of internal combustion. That is simply not reality. It is a good motor.
My grandfather had an 89 Mazda 323 with the 1.8. That car made as much power as the zetec does, AND it got 40+ mpg.

No, the SPI is not the worst engine ever made, but it has no redeeming features that could qualify it as a "good" engine.
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