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Old 05-25-2014, 12:52 AM   #11
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Yeah I'm thinking you might have inadequate damping...especially looking at the very first pic at the top of this thread.

Are you on fresh or old dampers?
Are they stock svt?

Stock svt dampers(in good condition) have a pretty good rep for rallyx,but personally I've never tried them.

The nice thing about agx's or the Tokico HTS's I run is you can turn up the damping if you need to.

I was pretty happy with my results on svt springs/Tokico HTS with the spacers and was placing well in events.
I'll bet I would have had pretty similar results on agx's.

I started off setting the dampers full stiff in the rear and a couple turns from full stiff in front, but finally realized I was still underdamped in front.
I ran the rest of the season Full stiff front and rear and it was much better.

That being said dampers can't make up for inadequate spring rate and when the courses got really rutted I still had some occasional bottoming..sometimes it was brutal...Like "BAM!!"..I kinda cringed for the car-but kept my foot in it still :)

Thats when I decided to try ordering some custom front coils with more rate and more height to keep off the bumpstops.

I probably would have considered coilovers of some sort but my dampers were still pretty new...the HTS's weren't cheap and I wanted to get my $$ worth out of them...

I've only had one bottoming incident since and I'm really happy with the front coils.

Details of what/how to order are in my rallyx thread:

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324188

Also I'm jealous of your new clutch and lsd.....

And...looks you found out that (especially in 2wd cars-but sometimes even awd)don't worry about the other car(the Daytona) because it's turbocharged.

In my experience..on the twisty loose courses we run on that's probably more of a hindrance than an asset.

Moderate torque and good traction for forward momentum wins over high torque and wheelspin on loose surfaces.
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Old 05-25-2014, 04:25 AM   #12
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I would love to do something like this in the near future. Right now my SVTf is my daily so I can't exactly thrash around. Looks so much fun and can't wait to see how the rest of your year goes. Keep posting bro!
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The dampers are stock SVT and fresh. The car has 110k on it and was still running the original shocks and struts before the first event so I did an overhaul and replaced everything with brand new parts. Most of the other cars don't seem to have as much bouncing and bottoming out as I do, but then again, they're mostly Subarus.

Yeah, I'm thinking AGX or Tokico is the way to go. Adjustable would be great to give me something to play with and figure out what the problem is exactly. I really want to just go to coil overs but they're way more expensive and that would put me into the Modified class.

I don't have the funds at the moment to get AGX or Tokico so I'll have to make it through the next race on the stock parts. Hopefully in July or August I can get some new stuff on. Looking up prices.. it seems the Tokicos are $200 more. Anyone have experience with AGX on rallycross? I'm guessing you get what you pay for and I should just get the Tokicos.

Thanks again rallyrs! Your experience has been a huge help. I can't wait to have the diff and clutch installed, should be done in about a week or so.


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I would love to do something like this in the near future. Right now my SVTf is my daily so I can't exactly thrash around. Looks so much fun and can't wait to see how the rest of your year goes. Keep posting bro!
It's definitely worth it, some of the most fun I've ever had. My SVT is my daily driver as well... not the smartest move but I have a motorcycle and 240z as back up when I'm working on the Focus. I've been ok so far just I spend a lot of time wrenching to fix things and get it prepared for each race or just to be able to drive it to work. Girlfriend isn't too happy about all the time I spend in the garage but eh.. I love doing this so she'll just have to understand :)
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this is awesome im glad to see someone else is doing this so recently with an SVT, I recently bought an 02 SVT with the idea in mind of doing Nav rallies, rally X, and hopefully more performance/stage rallies in the future. youve given me hope that it is doable.

I didnt see it in the pictures, but did you put a roll cage in there? I have a local builder who can put one in mine relatively cheap, but if your able to compete without it perhaps ill consider putting the money into another part of the car.

also, did you do any weight reduction to the vehicle? mine doesnt have the burden of being a daily driver, so I am ripping out the back seats and whatever other flotsam i can remove from it.
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Rallyx is low speed and requires no cage.

If you are going to do stage rally you can not just throw any cage in the car.

Check first with the sanctioning body in your area to get the cage regs/specs and get someone who builds proper cages(preferably with rally cage experience)or you will have to tear the substandard cage out and do it all over again.
Many have made this mistake.

Also if you are just going to do rallyx ,know that ripping out the back seats(at least in the US)and other interior bits etc. bumps you to Modified(open) class.
Not sure what your rules are up there but you might want to find out first...
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The dampers are stock SVT and fresh. The car has 110k on it and was still running the original shocks and struts before the first event so I did an overhaul and replaced everything with brand new parts. Most of the other cars don't seem to have as much bouncing and bottoming out as I do, but then again, they're mostly Subarus.

Yeah, I'm thinking AGX or Tokico is the way to go. Adjustable would be great to give me something to play with and figure out what the problem is exactly. I really want to just go to coil overs but they're way more expensive and that would put me into the Modified class.

I don't have the funds at the moment to get AGX or Tokico so I'll have to make it through the next race on the stock parts. Hopefully in July or August I can get some new stuff on. Looking up prices.. it seems the Tokicos are $200 more. Anyone have experience with AGX on rallycross? I'm guessing you get what you pay for and I should just get the Tokicos.

Thanks again rallyrs! Your experience has been a huge help. I can't wait to have the diff and clutch installed, should be done in about a week or so.
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AGX's seem to be the most popular rallyx strut from what I've seen, and a lot of the subie guys use them.
Personally never tried them..but I think they'd be an upgrade for you.

But I kept seeing more praise for the Tokico HTS/DSPEC and despite their higher price thought I'd give them a try.
More adjustability and better damping curves than agx.

Another deciding factor was durability- a local Subaru stage Rally driver that sucessfully ran them(Dspecs with plates welded on to help keep them from bending) for a while before getting real stage rally suspension.

Here's a couple pics where they are on the #368 car(and they didn't blow)-My kid and I are in those grandstands somewhere ...




That being said -I have blown one front and eventually a rear..but I've blown out a lot of shocks and struts in my time so.....

Here's a post with me and some others talking about the Tokico HTS/Dspec:

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323350
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this is awesome im glad to see someone else is doing this so recently with an SVT, I recently bought an 02 SVT with the idea in mind of doing Nav rallies, rally X, and hopefully more performance/stage rallies in the future. youve given me hope that it is doable.

I didnt see it in the pictures, but did you put a roll cage in there? I have a local builder who can put one in mine relatively cheap, but if your able to compete without it perhaps ill consider putting the money into another part of the car.

also, did you do any weight reduction to the vehicle? mine doesnt have the burden of being a daily driver, so I am ripping out the back seats and whatever other flotsam i can remove from it.
Yeah what rallyrs said, a roll cage isn't necessary for SCCA rallycross but if you do get one built make sure it's spec for whoever you are racing with. If you plan on doing Rally America I think there is an email address you can contact that can get you information on someone near you that is certified to build or inspect the cage. PM me if you want that info and I can dig it up.

I didn't do any weight reduction or interior modification since that would put me into the Modified class. Though these rules can depend on your region. Next year I plan on going Modified so I'll be making some changes...

EDIT: I just realized you're from Canada so you wouldn't be doing Rally America lol. Anyways, still figure out exactly what you need before you build a roll cage.


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Personally never tried them..but I think they'd be an upgrade for you.
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Wow! Those are some incredible pics. I think I will go with the Tokico HTS/Dspecs then. I read your other thread... I'm a little worried since you had one front and one rear fail but maybe that was a fluke. Either way that's not so bad if they're under warranty. I'll just keep my SVT ones as backup in case one fails while I wait on a replacement.

Gav, yeah your car looks great! I'd be a little worried about scratching it up. My car was already a bit scratched up and had a couple small dents when I bought it so I don't mind... but it's gotten a little rougher since I've been rallycrossing. I'm thinking about doing a vinyl wrap at some point for better paint protection or maybe spraying plastidip on it. The mudflaps help some but it can't stop everything so my side skirts are a little scratched up. I also have a scuff mark on my front bumper from nailing a big cone at the last race.. oops. All the SVT people with the perfect cars are going to hate me lol.
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Wow! Those are some incredible pics. I think I will go with the Tokico HTS/Dspecs then. I read your other thread... I'm a little worried since you had one front and one rear fail but maybe that was a fluke. Either way that's not so bad if they're under warranty. I'll just keep my SVT ones as backup in case one fails while I wait on a replacement.....
So far on my car I've blown out stockers, HTS's ,and Inverted Dynamics(FRPP Multimatic) and have no doubt I would have blown AGX's.

Shocks and struts are just expendable items...If you research online plenty of AGx's have been blown out.
It might be a little easier to warranty the agx's though.

Tokico won't drop ship and won't let you send warranties straight back either which is just stupid.

I live in SoCal about 1/2 hour from The Tokico warehouse.
If I order a set from CFM in Florida(or anywhere else in the us) and cfm doesn't have them in stock,Tokico sends them all the way to Florida then CFM sends them all the way back across the country to me.

To warranty, I have to do the same thing pack them up and send them to Fla, cfm sends them back to Socal Tokico, then Tokico(if they honor the warranty) sends them back to fla and then cfm sends them back across the country to me-brilliant-right?

I still have the blown ones-I just said eff-it and bought new one's when they blew!

But...a higher quality option exists than these Tokico's..these are what I really wanted:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bs...rd/model/focus

The legendary Bilstein B6, AKA Bilstein HD.
Inverted Monotube strut.

Wouldn't ever have to replace-they are rebuildable, and you can have them revalved for rallyx also.

No doubt, a better quality unit-and I was ready to buy..till I saw online specs said about 4" of travel.
Thats about 2 1/4" less than stock struts!

I didn't believe this(or thought this must be before it starts squishing the internal bump stop)so I called Bilstein and talked to a tech.

He confirmed the 4-ish inches travel and told me that that included bump stop squish!

I know we are just playing in parking lots for now but giving up 2" of travel still doesn't seem like a great idea ,So I called Tokico, confirmed the hts had stock travel and ordered them instead.

But I've since found evidence since that the Internal bump stops in the HD's are way big and people trim or replace them.

Like this thread shows:

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...od-99244.html?



So do me a favor- before you order the HTS or dspec look into the bilstein's a bit, maybe give call and talk to a (different?)tech there at Bilstein or google a bit and find a shop who knows them inside and out.

Also,I assume the tech I talked to knew what he was talking about but maybe call again and see what they say about total travel and also bump stop trimming.
They are no doubt a better unit although the same tech told me the rears are discontinued so you'd have to see if anyone on the planet still had a pair of rears or run something else in back.
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interesting, good to know I didn't even think about the weight reduction changing the class of the vehicle, I wouldn't be as concerned about that in the future but when i do my first few runs probably best to stay in the novice classes.

as far as where I am running, I would love to run CRC and Rally America so knowing the regulations for both would be pretty important for me.

anyways, thanks for the bits of advice for any other questions i am just going to start my own thread so I dont try and take this one over.
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