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Old 03-09-2014, 09:51 PM   #61
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Insurance on a fox is not 200 a year even on a basic plan, I was paying over 400 every 6 for basic coverage living in a town with a population of 3,000 cheapest damn insurance ever. Even under my Dads name it was still 240$ every 6 and hes 65 and never had a ticket or an accident. A stock fox would keep up with an ST but it is also a 20+ year old car, a 3000$ fox would be a POS. Random electrical not working, leaks, gas hog, ect.

I am not arguing with you that a turbo is more reliable, in fact if you look a few post back I was the one stating that turbo-charged cars are not reliable, literally due to the fact of boost leaks and random small parts breaking. and constant little tune updates.

Although I would rather drive a newer (my 03 Lancer)turbo'd car than ever drive my Mustang. I also owned a Camaro Z28 another car you can pick up for 3-4K that would rape a Foxbody but that's whole another set of worries. Optisparks, spark plugs, transmissions, differentials, ect. Fact is a 25 year old 3000$ car that is a pony car is not going to be reliable.
The only good thing about Québec is cheap insurance since we have the no fault clause which means that your own insurance pays for your own damages we can't get sued. I totally agree on the POS and their rotten chassis, strut towers and so on. In an ideal scenario is to own a good DD and that problematic car to be used once in a while.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:45 AM   #62
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The GTI dynos about 200 whp in stock form. No way that a Focus without F/I will ever walk a GTI. The reason why I bought a loaded SE is that the ST was slower then a stock GTI and the shifter was located in an akward position. I doubt that any N/A Focus will ever walk an ST. Unless if it's stripped and run on drag radials yadayada.

I love my Focus and being honest on the power departement I wouldn't do much but I would focus on the Focus main strength which is it's handling which is IMO better then the GTI and a lot of other competitors. Beefier tires, stiffer suspension ,sway bars, bushings . I would love to make my Focus faster but power/noise ratio/results is not Worth it IMO. To each is own
190whp in a 2950-3000 pound car will beat one that is 200whp and weights a lot more. I still think I am right.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:46 AM   #63
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I dont think so buddy. At least not the GTI. I had a Mk6 GTI and they make almost max torque just under 2200rpm and hold that torque for a bit so they are pretty fast off the line.
check my previous post. I still think I am rigth. My car with 190whp WILL walk a stock GTI.
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Yep I always see people comparing GTI's against modded Focus or Fiesta ST. The GTI is not the fastest thing out there but it blows any Focus out of the water ST included. The 197 Fiesta ST is no match for an MK5 GTI nor an MK6. Being honest I'd be happy to see my car hang with Mazda 3's 2.5, BRZ, Veloster , Cruze Turbo
GTI is not that fast. Where are u guys getting this from? Stock ST is a lot quicker then a GTI.
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Ive had a few factory boosted cars (2 supercharged and 2 turbo). Both turbo cars it was a constant battle with boost leaks.. I guess the price you pay for modding them lol.. the supercharged ones were reliable though
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:37 AM   #66
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GTI is not that fast. Where are u guys getting this from? Stock ST is a lot quicker then a GTI.
Not saying it's a rocket but I do have one and the reason why I got a Focus is that they were advertising some ST 4K off MSRP I went test drove that car what a downer. I went for a slower loaded SE for about the same price. I test drove the ST did a few lights 1 highway it was enough for me. Check some stock GTI dyno they're all about 200 whp and more stock. Trust me I wanted an ST but it was slower so I went for (luxurious and comfy). It's not only about whp hp. There are a lot of other factors such as gearing, traction, weight. Anyhow both ST and GTI are mid 14s car nothing to write home about I don't see any Focus approching that anytime soon. During that test drive I felt that the ST had a better suspension, better brakes,felt less porky.

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check my previous post. I still think I am rigth. My car with 190whp WILL walk a stock GTI.
They are of similar weight and the GTI has more power. I hardly doubt you would walk it, but driver error might get you a win once. Then the GTI will get an APR stage 1 tune and you'll be back at the drawing board.
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They are of similar weight and the GTI has more power. I hardly doubt you would walk it, but driver error might get you a win once. Then the GTI will get an APR stage 1 tune and you'll be back at the drawing board.
Yhey are not similar weight I believe the GTI is around 3200. Yes you are right about the APR chip. I am saying with 190whp I will beat a stock GTI 10 out of 10 times.
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Yhey are not similar weight I believe the GTI is around 3200. Yes you are right about the APR chip. I am saying with 190whp I will beat a stock GTI 10 out of 10 times.
You are way off about the curb weight of the GTI, which is closer to 3113 lbs than 3200 lbs. The Focus ST is closer to 3223 lbs.

There's not much chance of a modified N/A Focus at around 2960 lb or so walking away at 190 whp assuming you can get to that point from a stock GTI or ST unless the driver makes a mistake in the GTI, more so if they have the wet clutch DSG with it's instantaneous shifts v.s. your 5 speed or slightly slower dry clutch DCT.

http://www.vw.com/en/models/gti/trim...fbcf2f89050610

The fastest reported MK3 1/4 mile drag racing times are in the mid to low 15 second range, where as the ST and GTI are closer to the mid to high 14 second range stock unless the driver is not going flat out/ as hard as possible
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You are way off about the curb weight of the GTI, which is closer to 3113 lbs than 3200 lbs. The Focus ST is closer to 3223 lbs.

There's not much chance of a modified N/A Focus at around 2960 lb or so walking away at 190 whp assuming you can get to that point from a stock GTI or ST unless the driver makes a mistake in the GTI, more so if they have the wet clutch DSG with it's instantaneous shifts v.s. your 5 speed or slightly slower dry clutch DCT.

http://www.vw.com/en/models/gti/trim...fbcf2f89050610

The fastest reported MK3 1/4 mile drag racing times are in the mid to low 15 second range, where as the ST and GTI are closer to the mid to high 14 second range stock unless the driver is not going flat out/ as hard as possible
Just looked up the specs for a 2012 gti. It produces 207ftlbs of torque and 200hp at the crank. The curb weight is actually 3034lbs. Just some info to help compare spec to spec.
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