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Old 02-25-2014, 10:00 AM   #81
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Besides the fuel efficiency you get from the 1.0 EcoBoost what's there to be excited about a 130 hp focus?
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What could be interesting is SYNC 2. It is suppose to get a new more responsive touch screen.

Wonder if current myfordtouch owners will benefit at all.
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Besides the fuel efficiency you get from the 1.0 EcoBoost what's there to be excited about a 130 hp focus?
I think the fuel efficiency is what to get excited about. I don't know what the torque figures are offhand, but being turbo I'm sure its *relatively* on par with the 2.0. Adding the extra gear for retaining the powerband and you basically have a car that drives and accelerates similarly to what is currently offered with better mileage. Basically, a win-win for the average consumer.
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Besides the fuel efficiency you get from the 1.0 EcoBoost what's there to be excited about a 130 hp focus?
HP isn't everything.

32 mpg city / 45 hwy. 148 lb/ft torque. Smaller engine should also make the car lighter.

So you sacrifice 30 HP, but keep the same amount of torque in a lighter vehicle, and get an additional 8 mpg highway... I would be excited about that.

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you basically have a car that drives and accelerates similarly to what is currently offered with better mileage. Basically, a win-win for the average consumer.
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and get an additional 8 mpg highway... I would be excited about that.
I guess I'm not as excited about the mileage gain. I'm assuming that, like every other Ford product, they're going to charge you extra for the ecoboost. I'd also be surprised if the 2.0 / DCT combination doesn't get a slight economy boost with such a significant refresh.

Let's hypothesize that the Focus w/ 1.0 EB gets 36 mpg combined (1 less than the Fiesta) and that the improved 2.0/DCT gets 31 mpg combined (1 more than now). Also assuming 12,000 annual miles and $3.50 gas, annual fuel cost is $1,167 for the ecobost and $1,355 for the 2.0, a $188 annual fuel savings.

If the Fiesta and Fusion are a guide, betcha they charge $800 for the ecoboost. In which case it would take 4.2 years for the ecoboost to pay for itself. Ignoring resale value which may swing it more in the ecoboost's favor, but probably not by that much.

Think I'll pass.
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HP isn't everything.

32 mpg city / 45 hwy. 148 lb/ft torque. Smaller engine should also make the car lighter.

So you sacrifice 30 HP, but keep the same amount of torque in a lighter vehicle, and get an additional 8 mpg highway... I would be excited about that.

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No DCT for 1.0L EB? Good.
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I guess I'm not as excited about the mileage gain. I'm assuming that, like every other Ford product, they're going to charge you extra for the ecoboost. I'd also be surprised if the 2.0 / DCT combination doesn't get a slight economy boost with such a significant refresh.

Let's hypothesize that the Focus w/ 1.0 EB gets 36 mpg combined (1 less than the Fiesta) and that the improved 2.0/DCT gets 31 mpg combined (1 more than now). Also assuming 12,000 annual miles and $3.50 gas, annual fuel cost is $1,167 for the ecobost and $1,355 for the 2.0, a $188 annual fuel savings.

If the Fiesta and Fusion are a guide, betcha they charge $800 for the ecoboost. In which case it would take 4.2 years for the ecoboost to pay for itself. Ignoring resale value which may swing it more in the ecoboost's favor, but probably not by that much.

Think I'll pass.
The cost savings is pretty small. 1.57 cents per gallon. But $800 is not a big up-charge. Break even point on fuel savings is just under 51,000 miles. I have seen a lot worse break even points then that.
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The cost savings is pretty small. 1.57 cents per gallon. But $800 is not a big up-charge. Break even point on fuel savings is just under 51,000 miles. I have seen a lot worse break even points then that.
Yeah like many diesel cars! But even most diesel cars give you a substantial torque / performance benefit with which one can justify the extra cost. Paying $800 or more for the same torque and less horsepower with a 4+ year payback period? Not for me.
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HP isn't everything.

32 mpg city / 45 hwy. 148 lb/ft torque. Smaller engine should also make the car lighter.

So you sacrifice 30 HP, but keep the same amount of torque in a lighter vehicle, and get an additional 8 mpg highway... I would be excited about that.

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http://www.leftlanenews.com/geneva-p...ord-focus.html
Haven't read the entire thread, but won't eco boost require premium fuel to obtain those numbers? I'm sure it will run fine on 87 octane, but I bet Ford will recommend premium since it's a turbo.
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It would take 4 years to "get back" the money that you spend for a slightly better fuel efficient car yet spend 300$ on a cold air intake that will never gain its value back or make up for lost cost. Hm... really picking these cars apart.
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