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Old 12-30-2013, 09:23 AM   #21
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It's imaginary no matter how you try to swing it.

If your car weighs 2800lb and dynos at 110whp, it's still going to have 110whp if it weighs 2300lb.

There is no actual, physical way to turn weight loss into horsepower. It doesn't happen. If you think it does, then you are fooling yourself. It is the epitome of what you might call "Ricer Logic."
Anyone that believes they will gain HP by lightening their car would definitely fall under ricer logic. Clearly that is not the point of this thread. It is giving you a legitimate mathematical example of what the equivalent HP gain would be on your previous vehicles weight. How you are failing to understand that is confusing.

As for getting onto the Ring, it is open nearly year-round. You pay for your pass and they let you on. There is even a webcam that shows the entry-point at all times, but I don't remember the link.
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I was more talking the logistics on getting a car from the states over to Europe such that it can be driven.
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It's imaginary no matter how you try to swing it.

If your car weighs 2800lb and dynos at 110whp, it's still going to have 110whp if it weighs 2300lb.

There is no actual, physical way to turn weight loss into horsepower. It doesn't happen. If you think it does, then you are fooling yourself. It is the epitome of what you might call "Ricer Logic."


Research Weight Transfer - suspension related.
Research Power To Weight - think of the acceleration of a motorcycle vs a car.


Power to weight plays a huge role in acceleration. If you don't believe it, go down the track with 4 adults in your car and then repeat with just yourself.

A dyno is a very poor measuring stick of usable power in the real world.
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Research Weight Transfer - suspension related.
Research Power To Weight - think of the acceleration of a motorcycle vs a car.


Power to weight plays a huge role in acceleration. If you don't believe it, go down the track with 4 adults in your car and then repeat with just yourself.

A dyno is a very poor measuring stick of usable power in the real world.
A good example of this is that the Bugatti Veyron vs the BAC Mano or the pagani huayra. all have less power than the Bugatti, but due to being more than 1/2 the weight are much faster. And recent news about Porche 918 Spyder and McLaren P1 going around the Nürburgring in under 7 min.

You dont even see it on the top 10 or top 20 list of fast times even though its pushing over 1000 HP
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Of course reducing weight does not create hp. But it does allow the hp that is there to work more effectively.
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Think of a 300 horsepower car that gets a 14 sec 1/4 time
I Add 50 horse power and get a 13 sec 1/4 mile

Now take the same 300 hp car but I gut 250lb of weight
And it does a 1/4 mile in 13 seconds

Equivalent Horsepower of 50 HP

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Think of a 300 horsepower car that gets a 14 sec 1/4 time
I Add 50 horse power and get a 13 sec 1/4 mile

Now take the same 300 hp car but I gut 250lb of weight
And it does a 1/4 mile in 13 seconds

Equivalent Horsepower of 50 HP

"This is just and example , nobody needs to run the numbers"
The magic word= Equivalent. IK its a example, but btw it'd take more then 250lbs of to get the equivalent 50hp, to shave of a second.
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100 lbs = 1/10 of a second. Need to shave 1,000 lbs to remove a full second. And some of it is only so scalable. There is a point when these estimates are very non-linear.
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100 lbs = 1/10 of a second. Need to shave 1,000 lbs to remove a full second. And some of it is only so scalable. There is a point when these estimates are very non-linear.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thats what I thought also. The motor needs to be in a Caterham or similar vechicle.
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Less pounds doesn't equal more HP, but it does increase 0-60, braking and cornering. Just think a 1000 HP Lambo and a 1000 HP Mack Dump truck aren't going to do the same thing. HP has to be built for a purpose. Weight is built for the same things.
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