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Old 11-18-2013, 01:53 PM   #1
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Interesting article on new cars laden with high tech

This is not specific with the Ford Focus but it is an eye opener...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...-soar/3581033/


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Old 11-18-2013, 02:40 PM   #2
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I'll take a "dumb" car any day over these new bloated technology machines. Remember the saying K.I.S.S.? I do fine without parking assist, touch screen controls and automatic everything.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:19 PM   #3
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Christ, can you imagine what people thought when power steering or disc brakes became a thing? Talk about expensive replacements. [/cynicism]

This is just a modern day version of the same thing every industry has been dealing with since day one. When you improve the product, you increase the cost. When the materials are mass produced, you reduce the cost.

Look at computers. A personal computer used to cost upwards of $5000, and that was BEFORE minesweeper. Nowadays, $5000 will get you next-gen pro-level processing because computers became wildly popular and mass produced.

As soon as EVERY manufacturer starts using LED low-beams, they'll cost pennies. (Assuming we still have pennies by then)
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Christ, can you imagine what people thought when power steering or disc brakes became a thing? Talk about expensive replacements. [/cynicism]

This is just a modern day version of the same thing every industry has been dealing with since day one. When you improve the product, you increase the cost. When the materials are mass produced, you reduce the cost.
Thank you for this insight. I have always been in the K.I.S.S. camp. We complain about the sticker shock of the new gadgets, while taking advantage of systems that were new and may have caused previous generations sticker shock. Your comments make me rethink my opinion (though I don't know if it will change my mind...)

I still think any gadget that makes not paying attention safer is a bad idea though. What is to prevent me from texting in traffic if my car will stop before I hit the car in front of me? Which is the better solution? making the car safer to use while distracted, or eliminating the distraction in the first place?
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:54 PM   #5
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I want to be on the leading edge just not the bleeding edge
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when I took delivery of my 2014 the salesman spent a good half hour outside with us syncing phones, pointing out controls etc
I was coming from a dumb 01 Civic
I was starting to think WTH did I buy
I said to the salesman "I am kind a feeling stupid"
He said " can you imagine trying to teach this to older people?"
I can see cars being over engineered out of the market for seniors
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Christ, can you imagine what people thought when power steering or disc brakes became a thing? Talk about expensive replacements. [/cynicism]

This is just a modern day version of the same thing every industry has been dealing with since day one. When you improve the product, you increase the cost. When the materials are mass produced, you reduce the cost.

Look at computers. A personal computer used to cost upwards of $5000, and that was BEFORE minesweeper. Nowadays, $5000 will get you next-gen pro-level processing because computers became wildly popular and mass produced.

As soon as EVERY manufacturer starts using LED low-beams, they'll cost pennies. (Assuming we still have pennies by then)
I agree with your comment up to a point. Its just that the early adopters are probably going to pay a pretty penny before all this high tech stuff become standardize.

However, using your example, yes computers are super cheap, (so are flat screen TVs), but the inverse problem with that is that they may be cheap to buy but they are super expensive to fix (especially with TVs). Just recently, my Flat screen TV died and it was cheaper for me to throw it away and buy a new one. I just wonder how this will work with high tech cars. Also the article specifically mentioned hybrid cars (which have been around for more than ten years and have sold millions of units) yet the cost of a new battery still costs thousands of dollars. I hope your right, nevertheless.
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I remember talking to a older guy who said when electronic ignitions came out that a bunch of them would pull the distribators and put points back in.And hord 2 and 4 barral carbs and intakes when fuel injection started
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Christ, can you imagine what people thought when power steering or disc brakes became a thing? Talk about expensive replacements. [/cynicism]

This is just a modern day version of the same thing every industry has been dealing with since day one. When you improve the product, you increase the cost. When the materials are mass produced, you reduce the cost.

Look at computers. A personal computer used to cost upwards of $5000, and that was BEFORE minesweeper. Nowadays, $5000 will get you next-gen pro-level processing because computers became wildly popular and mass produced.

As soon as EVERY manufacturer starts using LED low-beams, they'll cost pennies. (Assuming we still have pennies by then)
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Thank you for this insight. I have always been in the K.I.S.S. camp. We complain about the sticker shock of the new gadgets, while taking advantage of systems that were new and may have caused previous generations sticker shock. Your comments make me rethink my opinion (though I don't know if it will change my mind...)

I still think any gadget that makes not paying attention safer is a bad idea though. What is to prevent me from texting in traffic if my car will stop before I hit the car in front of me? Which is the better solution? making the car safer to use while distracted, or eliminating the distraction in the first place?
I have to say looking at it from this standpoint makes the sticker shock go away a little. I still believe certain gadgets are more of a distraction/hindrance than helpful in cars and cause more issues. Now the new LED lighting systems on the other hand are absolutely fantastic especially what Audi has designed them to do(and we can't get because of ours laws in the US). Things that aid in driving and safety are more of a blessing and eventually won't be as expensive. The reality is eventually we won't be "driving" in the true sense and more just riding along as the car does all the work.
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