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Old 11-12-2013, 06:20 PM   #11
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No way, no how. My little sister has a Fiesta (sedan), and it's frickin' tiny in there compared to the Focus. Beyond the size, I think the Focus center stack is much more appealing to look at than the Fiesta.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:08 PM   #12
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Stepping up to a ST focus makes more sense to me.. For just $2000 more u get more of a car, the Fiesta is tiny.
EVERYONE KEEPS SAYING THIS WITHOUT DOING THERE HOMEWORK!!!

You get so much more in a Base Fiesta ST then a FOCUS ST

6.5 MFT Screen
Sirius
ambient lighting
dual climate control and so on

the Fiesta only has a few options such as Sunroof, Paint and Seats

Base Focus ST is basically a 200A SE hatch package with ST Drivetrain

so really sit down and think about it. To come close to a Base Fiesta ST you'd have to get an ST2 Focus to even compare!!!
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:12 PM   #13
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:46 PM   #14
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Not a chance. I got a normal fiesta as a loaner when I was having warranty work done and it was sooo tiny! You could put a 400hp ecoboost motor in the fiesta st and I still wouldn't trade for my focus. The space is worth it's weight in gold to me at this point in my life.
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EVERYONE KEEPS SAYING THIS WITHOUT DOING THERE HOMEWORK!!!

You get so much more in a Base Fiesta ST then a FOCUS ST

6.5 MFT Screen
Sirius
ambient lighting
dual climate control and so on

the Fiesta only has a few options such as Sunroof, Paint and Seats

Base Focus ST is basically a 200A SE hatch package with ST Drivetrain

so really sit down and think about it. To come close to a Base Fiesta ST you'd have to get an ST2 Focus to even compare!!!
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MODEL/SERIES/AVAILABILITY
• Body styles – 5-Door Hatchback

MECHANICAL HIGHLIGHTS
• 2.0L GTDI Engine
• 6-Speed Manual Transmission
• Electric Power-Assisted Steering (EPAS)
• Front Wheel Drive
• Full Size Spare
• Independent Rear Suspension
• Rear Disc Brakes
• Rear Stabilizer Bar
• Unique ST Sport Suspension

EXTERIOR HIGHLIGHTS
• 18" Alloy Wheels with Y-Rated Summer Tires
• Body-Color Bumpers
• Body-Color Door Handles
• Body-Color Mirrors
• Center High-Mounted Stop Lamp (CMHSL)
• Chin Spoiler
• Dual Exhaust – Bright Tipped
• Exterior Colors
— Ingot Silver
— Oxford White
— Performance Blue
— Race Red
— Tuxedo Black
— Tangerine Scream Premium Tri-Coat Paint
• Foglamps
• Halogen Reflector Headlamps – With Darkened Bezels
• High Mounted Rear Spoiler
• Illuminated Entry
• Integrated Spotter Mirror
• Mirror Signal Lamps
• Piano Black Grill
• ST Badging

SAFETY/SECURITY
• Airbags
— Driver & Passenger Front
— Side Airbags & Curtains (1st & 2nd Row)
— "Smart" Occupant Sensing Airbags
• Anti-Theft Engine Immobilizer
• Child Safety Locks
• Height Adjustable Retractable Seatbelts
• MyKey®
• Seat Belt Pretensioners

INTERIOR/COMFORT
• Aluminum Pedals/Shifter
• Console w/Storage
• Cupholders (2 Front)
• Dual Illuminated Visors
• Floor Console w/Storage & Armrest
• Front Door Stowage Bins
• Front/Rear/Cargo Compartment Dome Lamps
• Front & Rear Carpet Floor Mats
• Leather Steering Wheel
• Manual A/C
• Map Light
• Power Door-Locks
• Radio
— AM/FM/CD/MP3
— 110W, 6 speakers
— Speed-Sensing Volume
• Rear Coat Hooks
INTERIOR/COMFORT (continued)
• Rear-Seatback Map Pocket
• Redundant Audio Controls
• ST Logo Cloth Sport Seats
— 2
nd Row Seat w/Adjustable Center Head Rest
— 60/40 Split Fold Rear-Seat
• Unique IP Finish Panels
• Unique ST Scuff Plates

FUNCTIONAL HIGHLIGHTS
• 2 – 12V Power Outlets
• Air Filtration System
• Analog Mini Cluster Gauges incl. Turbo Boost Pressure
• Anti-Lock Brakes
• Easy Fuel® – Capless Fuel-Filler
• Electronic Stability Control (ESC)
• Full Size Spare
• Hill Launch Assist
• Intelligent Access with Push Button Start
• Intermittent Front & Rear Wipers (Variable Front)
• One-Touch Up/Down Power Windows
• Perimeter Alarm
• Rear Defrost
• Rear Power Windows
• Remote Keyless-Entry
• Speed Control
• SYNC® Elements w/USB
• Tilt & Telescoping Steering Wheel
• Tire Pressure Monitoring System
• Trip Computer – Temperature Gauge & Compass

PACKAGE HIGHLIGHTS
• ST2 (201A)
— Sony® Branded Audio w/4 Additional Speakers
— 8" Screen
— Dual Zone Electronic Automatic Temperature Control
(DEATC)
— HD Radio™
— Satellite Radio
— Recaro® Partial Leather Seats with Smoke Storm,
Tangerine Scream or Performance Blue Accent Color
• ST3 (202A)
— Recaro® Full-Leather Heated Seats
— Rear Armrest
— HID Headlamps
— Cornering Lamps
— LED Signature Lighting
— Ambient Lighting
— Overhead Console
— Heated Mirrors
— Navigation
Feature list from the 2013 Focus ST order guide.

Vs. SE 200A hatch:

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ENTRY "SE" SERIES – STANDARD EQUIPMENT

ALL "S" SERIES EQUIPMENT PLUS:
Air Filtration System
Audio – 6 Speakers
Auto Headlamps
Aux 12V Powerpoint (Rear)
Cruise Control
Door Handles – Body-Colored
Dual Illuminated Vanity Mirrors
Floor Console Armrest
Floor Mats – 1st Row
Headlamps – Automatic Quad-Beam Halogen (AutoLamp)
Illuminated Entry
Instrument Cluster
— Trip Computer
— Compass and Outside Temperature Display
Mirror (Exterior) – Body-Colored, Side Marker Lamps
MyKey®
Rear-Seat Heat Ducts
Steering Wheel – Redundant Audio Controls
Storage – Map Pockets (Rear-Seat)
SYNC® with MyFord® – Voice-Activated Communications
and Entertainment System with 911 assist® & Vehicle Health
Reports. Available on S and Standard on SE. Note: SYNC® Services available for a $60 annual subscription fee
Wheels/Tires – 16" Aluminum
Windows
— Driver One-Touch Down
— Power Rear
— Windshield Wipers – Variable-intermittent

5-DOOR ONLY EQUIPMENT:
Rear Spoiler
Removable Package Tray
Seats – 2nd Row – 60/40 Split
Windshield Wipers – Rear
The fiesta has the same tiered option package as the Focus ST but is minus one trim, just base and ST2 with part leather heated Recaros.

The Focus ST is a much better value proposition Especially when comparing the Fiesta ST base to the Base Focus ST1 just from a performance stand point alone. The Focus ST has larger front brakes (12.6" rotors), more power, more torque, better handling thanks in no small part to its fully independent suspension vs the less expensive torsion beam set up on the Fiesta ST.

The only objective performance areas where the Fiesta excels is in braking and fuel economy due to it's lower weight.

The Focus is also a slightly larger car with more room inside for people and things.

I've driven both although not quite extensively enough in the Fiesta, but that down sized MFT screen is too small and hard to use. The standard 8.0" screen on the ST2 is a much easier system to use as the larger screen allows for clearer iconography than trying to fit the same message in a smaller format.

The climate control on the Focus ST2 and ST3 is also much simpler to use than the convoluted set up in the Fiesta. I'm sure you'd get used to it, but the set up in the Fiesta looks much more strange, and to me not in a good way.

Not everyone needs or wants MFT or the Recaros so in that case your only option if you don't fit well in them is the Focus ST by default.

Sirius is an over priced and over blown radio service that isn't necessarily worth it unless you happen to have a particular preference for some of the channels. Give me a USB input, bluetooth, and a CD player and I'm fine. Once the trial runs out if it hasn't already I'd just as soon go back to USB as the audio quality is much better and it doesn't cut out under every overpass and bridge.

The Fiesta ST is optioned out like a hybrid of ST1 and ST2 however so sure in fairness the ST2 makes a better analog even though it already comes with the Recaros vs having to spend an extra $1995 MSRP for them even though that also includes the heated seats and mirrors on the Fiesta.

But the base ST1 is not a Focus SE200A as you suggest with the ST drive train.

The seats were the SE Sport/ SEL/Titanium seats vs the base S/SE 200A seats from 2012+, the interior is blackened out unlike any other Focus including the headliner and all the trim v.s. being two toned, 18x8" wheels, different suspension hardware and set up, full sized spare wheel and tire that's only available on the Titanium not the SE, etc... It's all the subtle things that people ignore until they actually experience the car.

Even with the stickered price difference (Base Fiesta ST $22195 Base Focus ST $24,420) of $2225 the Focus is worth the difference to me because it is simply put a nicer car to drive.

Your mileage may vary, and if you're looking for a fun car you can't go wrong with either one, but the Fiesta ST is a bit small, and the car's performance left me wanting more at the auto cross course. The car is very momentum sensitive, i.e. you can't hope to just power out of the curves like you can with the Focus.

Given the choice again I would still chose the Focus, besides the Focus while being marginally more expensive on paper is likely going to cost the same in the real world as there were greater deals to be had if you shopped around. Now some of those aren't legitimate, but others like the rebates that occasionally come along, as well as the a/z/d/x plan offers make the Focus a better value proposition than the Fiesta if you qualify or know some one who can help with the pins. The less expensive Fiesta may end up costing as much if not more depending on how much wiggle room there is on the Focus (of which there is always more since it costed more to start with).
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:58 PM   #16
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:15 PM   #17
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Stepping up to a ST focus makes more sense to me.. For just $2000 more u get more of a car, the Fiesta is tiny.
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Up here in Canada we only have on options for the Focus ST and the Fiesta ST and its a $5K price difference!
Canadian Focus STs are expensive because we're limited to what is essentially an ST3. Most I see are ~$35K.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:22 PM   #18
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Canadian Focus STs are expensive because we're limited to what is essentially an ST3. Most I see are ~$35K.
and because of this the spread between a Fiesta ST and a Focus ST is roughly $7000+tax.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:17 PM   #19
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Sell your Focus and buy a Fiesta ST? I am on the fence....any opinions would be nice!
Have you driven the Fiesta ST?

If you like it and can comfortably afford it, why not?
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I wouldnt I have sat in a few and its a very small car Im only 6'2.
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