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Old 11-08-2013, 03:45 PM   #31
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6300.... transmission is making me sick already, traffic every morning and afternoon going home I get a little more buyer's remorse. If I get to drive it on the highway that remorse goes back down just a little.

What makes me feel even worse is at the 5k service interval I mentioned something about it to the service rep and he just said "that's just how it is, don't creep" - does he drive at all in this city? I just KNOW if I try to take it in for repair he's just going to tell me "that's how they're made" - long road ahead I'm sure.
Unfortunately he's not wrong. I was watching Top Gear the other day and the host was complaining about driving a Lamborghini Aventador in traffic because of all the shuddering and shaking and jerking. And in speaking about the DCT in those cars he said "Great on the open road, terrible in the city". One of those co-hosts, driving behind him in a McLaren, was having similar issues. Try and drive it like a stick. If you had a stick shift, you wouldn't let off the clutch a little and slip it forward a couple of feet (at least, not if you want the clutch to last). You'll let a few feet get in front of you, then roll forward, then stop.

Ford should have been more upfront about the fact that there isn't an automatic in the Focus. Just a manual, or an automated manual; and each should not be driven like an automatic.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:01 PM   #32
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The DCT in the EVO is worlds apart form the Ford unit and while it has a little jerkiness during low speed acceleration it responds much quicker and smoother than the Focus' DCT. Not all DCTs are created equal as the DCT is supposed to be quicker than a person shifting which they are in the pricier cars but slower in the Focus.

It is an auto-mated manual but the key word is still automated which mean it's still an automatic in my eyes since the computer still has the final say with regards to certain shift points.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:14 PM   #33
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The DCT in the EVO is worlds apart form the Ford unit and while it has a little jerkiness during low speed acceleration it responds much quicker and smoother than the Focus' DCT. Not all DCTs are created equal as the DCT is supposed to be quicker than a person shifting which they are in the pricier cars but slower in the Focus.

It is an auto-mated manual but the key word is still automated which mean it's still an automatic in my eyes since the computer still has the final say with regards to certain shift points.
A lot of that is because Ford wants it to have smooth, fluid shifts like an automatic. The Evo is a sports car and thus is all about quick shifts.

The reason it's NOT an automatic is the lack of the torque converter. While the torque converter robs horsepower and fuel efficiency, it's a fantastic way to get power to the tranny. Basically, a turbine is connected to the engine, and a turbine is connected to the transmission. There's fluid in the middle, and the faster the engine spins, the more pressure is put on the transmission. Which means you can be at a complete stop without any jerkiness of slipping of a clutch, or creep along as slow as you please without hurting anything.


(Some locking torque converters also do have crude clutches and other components that are engaged when MOVING to 'lock' it into place improving power delivery and efficiency, but low speed creeping is done with almost no physical connection!)


An automated manual, on the other hand, still uses clutches as you know! Creeping along at low speeds requires the computer to slip those clutches, wearing them prematurely and heating them up. The computer is trying to prevent excessive wear by getting the clutches engaged as quickly as possible which is where the jerkyness comes in. You, and the transmission are trying to do two different things. That's why a lot of people say it needs to be driven like a manual. A driver of a car with a manual transmission, like the computer on your focus, is trying to get the clutch out as quick as possible and not let it slip, overheat, glaze, and wear. They adjust their driving habits to make this happen (or they frequently replace clutches). If you drive like it's a manual, you and the computer will be on the same page when it comes to clutch operation. In this case, it's not the gear shifts that are the problem, it's the computer controlled clutches.

I agree it 'should' be easier, and Ford should do a better job marketing it and educating customers; but it is what it is. You'd have taken a 2-3mpg loss, some time off of your 0-60 and some power-to-the-wheels number hits, but I think a traditional torque converter automatic would've been a better 'automatic' for the Focus. IMHO!
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:45 PM   #34
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:38 PM   #37
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:43 PM   #38
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Anyone with more than 80,000?
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