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Old 11-04-2013, 11:22 AM   #11
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First off, big trucks don't engine brake. At least, not like your car does. We're talking about an engine that is about to explode when it hits 3,000 RPM's and a TON of weight behind it. They do use 'jake brakes' though, which stay at the same RPM (no downshift needed) but use a series of valves to basically turn the engine into a giant (and noisy) air compressor to give it the resistance needed to actually slow the truck down and prevent overheating the brakes.

Second, in sport mode, it's not a normal car. Normal, every day driving is for normal, every day mode. Sport driving is for... well you can take it from here!

And yes, it's the way it's programmed, and for 'sport' driving, it's the way it SHOULD behave. Keeping the engine revs up and in the powerband so the power is there instantly, should you need it. Just hit the accelerator, and go.

Finally, engine braking is something people have done, even in small cars and even on motorcycles (nearly all motorcycles are manual transmission) for a long time. Personally, I think brakes are cheap and a piece of cake to change. BUT, some people like to engine brake. Engine braking is not generally to 'increase' your braking performance. The brakes applied to the drive wheels will stop a lot harder than the engine will. Engine braking is to ease up on your brakes. It IS useful on long, steep grades (like coming down a mountain), to keep your brakes from overheating and/or rotors from warping. If you select the right gear you should be able to maintain a more/less constant speed with minimal throttle inputs and no brake while going down a steep grade.
And control - it's about control too.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:37 AM   #12
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Wait what? It does not do this with CC on my car
it does on mine.. it's maddening... i'd prefer if the CC allowed the car to speed up to say, 10mph more than it's set before downshifting, however, it downshifts after only 1 or 2 mph increase. My old focus never did this... and i don't like it!
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:38 AM   #13
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If you're in CC with the car in select shift mode in 6th gear the car will absolutely not downshift
mine does,, consistently....
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:44 AM   #14
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Engine braking is not generally to 'increase' your braking performance. The brakes applied to the drive wheels will stop a lot harder than the engine will. Engine braking is to ease up on your brakes. It IS useful on long, steep grades (like coming down a mountain), to keep your brakes from overheating and/or rotors from warping. If you select the right gear you should be able to maintain a more/less constant speed with minimal throttle inputs and no brake while going down a steep grade.
^This.

Although, my friend has a 2008 Charger and when he slams on his brakes, the car shifts up to slow it down even faster. I figured that out after I changed his rotors and pads and I was test driving it. I thought, "What the heck did I do wrong?" Until I looked it up and figured it out.

I thought it was pretty cool...
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it does on mine.. it's maddening... i'd prefer if the CC allowed the car to speed up to say, 10mph more than it's set before downshifting, however, it downshifts after only 1 or 2 mph increase. My old focus never did this... and i don't like it!
So you have select shift, and are manually in 6th gear in CC? If so there is no way for the computer to shift the car since you've placed it there (unless rpms go way too low)

Unless my car is weird
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The point of cruise control is to keep a consistent speed... Without being able to use the brakes, how else is cruise going to maintain that speed other than engine braking?
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i'd prefer if the CC allowed the car to speed up to say, 10mph more than it's set
That's a lawsuit just waiting to happen.

Person sets their cruise at 50, car speeds up to 60 and they have an accident. You know they're going to be blaming Ford, saying if the car had stayed at the 50 they had set, the accident would not have happened. Ditto for speeding tickets.
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That's a lawsuit just waiting to happen.

Person sets their cruise at 50, car speeds up to 60 and they have an accident. You know they're going to be blaming Ford, saying if the car had stayed at the 50 they had set, the accident would not have happened. Ditto for speeding tickets.
I'd love this feature too! But you're right... we need open source so that it's a customizable setting. haha
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So you have select shift, and are manually in 6th gear in CC? If so there is no way for the computer to shift the car since you've placed it there (unless rpms go way too low)

Unless my car is weird
all i know is that in D (6 gear engaged) at 65+ mph going down a grade on an interstate with CC on the engine will rev strongly as if it's braking the car. The selected speed via CC will not allow the car to deviate more than one or two mph above that... (my old focus under same conditions on same road would speed up some 10 15 mph more than CC selected speed w/o revving the engine) Dealer tells me this is normal operation of CC with this tranny.
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That's a lawsuit just waiting to happen.

Person sets their cruise at 50, car speeds up to 60 and they have an accident. You know they're going to be blaming Ford, saying if the car had stayed at the 50 they had set, the accident would not have happened. Ditto for speeding tickets.
You mean, like other cars? They manage to figure it out...
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