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Old 11-03-2013, 11:37 AM   #1
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For Those who have swapped to an ST.....

Short Question...Was it worth it? Anything you miss from the non-ST, anything on the ST you don't like as compared to the non?

Long Story.....I've been driving my wifes A4 all weekend, as she needed the hatchback for transporting some large totes/tables to from a craft show. The A4 was my daily driver for quite some time before I started the current job, and we sold the boat (removing the need for our Yukon, so I sold for a fuel efficient Focus)......I've forgotten how much I enjoyed the power and handling of the Audi. The Focus has decent handling which I think I can remedy with some springs/sway bars, but the power will never get there.

We're trying to decide if we want to swap the Focus out for either an ST for me, or a Flex for her, and move me to either the ST, or back to the Audi. I think she wants the Flex, but there is a chance the ST will win the financial battle, as I start running the numbers to see where we stand.

Any thoughts from those of you who have switched? Keep in mind, I'm coming from a non-sport SE Hatch.


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Old 11-03-2013, 12:04 PM   #2
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That is a question that ideally should be asked a year or two later.
Almost everybody loves their new car.

Also, you are asking someone to rationalize what was (most likely) an irrational decision.

It seems like the only ST buyers are those that traded in their mk3 for it.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:17 PM   #3
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That is a question that ideally should be asked a year or two later.
Almost everybody loves their new car.

It seems like the only ST buyers are those that traded in their mk3 for it.
This is patently false, there are perhaps more MK3 owners on this specific forum which had traded their N/A for an ST, but open your eyes and look at the specific ST forums and very few people traded from a 2012+ N/A MK3 for an ST.

More people traded from older cars, many were former Subaru WRX or STi owners, some owned Golfs, and many owned or still also own Mustangs, but I've seen fewer than a dozen who have explicitly traded from one to the other. There were some who's family still had both an N/A and an ST, but usually the spouse or child drove the n/a.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:29 PM   #4
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This is patently false, there are perhaps more MK3 owners on this specific forum which had traded their N/A for an ST, but open your eyes and look at the specific ST forums and very few people traded from a 2012+ N/A MK3 for an ST.

More people traded from older cars, many were former Subaru WRX or STi owners, some owned Golfs, and many owned or still also own Mustangs, but I've seen fewer than a dozen who have explicitly traded from one to the other. There were some who's family still had both an N/A and an ST, but usually the spouse or child drove the n/a.
Take a deep breath and relax...

You shouldn't take an obvious tongue in cheek comment so seriously.
In any case, my perception as to who is buying STs is clearly not so important.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:10 PM   #5
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Take a deep breath and relax...

You shouldn't take an obvious tongue in cheek comment so seriously.
In any case, my perception as to who is buying STs is clearly not so important.
I am relaxed. However you seem to persist on spreading the rumor that only previous 2012+ Focus owners were buying the ST.

At any rate the advantages are the increased power and torque of the turbocharged engine, the additional 0.5" or so of suspension lowering stock vs. stock, the handling, etc, the larger front brakes.

The main down sides would be reduced fuel economy due to the propensity to use more of the available power, plus it's inherently slightly less efficient when off boost due to the lowered compression ratio to handle peak boost stock in the neighborhood of 21 psi, and the large turning radius, something that is shared with the base Focus with the 18" wheels and handling pack due to the aggressive steering rack limiters preventing the wheel from impacting the suspension and steering linkage. The pads though effective in daily street driving are aggressive and dust a lot, but aren't aggressive enough or there is not enough heat capacity to handle hard core track days on larger tracks and more severe braking zones. The base Focus can run 15" wheels and tires in the winter due to the smaller front rotors, the minimum on the ST is 16" and even then you have to be careful with wheel selection due to potential clearance issues to the caliper if the balance weights are on the inside of the wheel.

Over all in normal driving where you're not really using the performance perhaps there is less benefit, but personally I like the car.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:12 PM   #6
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Honestly after all I've read about the ST, I'd be getting 20mpg in it. I drive quite aggressively in my SE. I appreciate the fact that I can be playful 50% of the time I'm driving and still get 31 mpg over the last year and 23k miles, plus it's not exactly slow. Punch it after pulling slowly away from a light and I will get wheelspin! With the 18's and lowering springs, it handles like it's on rails.
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I am relaxed. However you seem to persist on spreading the rumor that only previous 2012+ Focus owners were buying the ST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek

I do have a serious question for you:

Is there any significant difference in road noise / tire noise when compared to your previous mk3?
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:38 PM   #8
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There is the conundrum. Will a few mods on the SE keep me happy, or should I go ahead and move to the ST. I do like my 32mpg average, but wish I had a some more power from time to time......hrmm.

Anyone know if you can get the A-plan price on a car without visiting the dealership?
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There is the conundrum. Will a few mods on the SE keep me happy, or should I go ahead and move to the ST. I do like my 32mpg average, but wish I had a some more power from time to time......hrmm.

Anyone know if you can get the A-plan price on a car without visiting the dealership?
if you are a Ford employee, you can log into the benefits website then search a plan and it will give you the A-plan price of both built vehicles and vehicles on your dealerships lot.
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if you are a Ford employee, you can log into the benefits website then search a plan and it will give you the A-plan price of both built vehicles and vehicles on your dealerships lot.
Awesome. I'm not an employee, but my grandfather is (or rather was, retired now). I'm sure it's not A-plan, but maybe Z-plan....I can't remember which is which anymore. At any rate, I'll check with him the next time I go visit, and see what it says. He's not so great at anything computerized.

At any rate, I have a couple other questions for the ST guys....

Do the ST's have the same front strut clunk issue? Mine is getting worse by the day, and now also includes a "clicking" when turning the wheel. I think the upper strut bearings are in need of replacement again (at 29k miles), but am not for certain.

What about interior rattles/creaks? My '12 SE has the worst door rattles of any car I've owned including the two (more "platic-y") 200k+ GM vehicles I've owned. I assume these are not ST specific parts, however perhaps the chassis on the ST is stiffer, and negates some of the flexing that causes this kind of thing?

Thanks for the help, and for the couple of PM's I've received as well!
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