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Old 10-13-2013, 04:58 PM   #1
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Hi,

Today, I did something stupid...

While I had the center console taken apart because I wanted to plasti dip the covers, I released the parking break, wanting to have some space in front of the car in the garage for spraying.


The garage is a bit sloped so it started rolling backwards and I couldn't stop it in time until the opened front left door hit the garage pillar...
I didn't realize that without the console, normal brakes don't work. Is this by design??? If it is, it's a damn stupid design. I was panicking and was too late in pulling the parking brake.

It bent the exterior door (as well as garage door track) and did the damage as seen in pictures below.





My questions:
1) Does it look like the whole door will have to be replaced? To me, everything else looks fine including the window.
2) Or does it look like only the outer panel can be replaced?

From www.fordparts.com, the whole door is about $700 and the outer panel is $353.33 (part # 20200 below)


I'm wondering either way, how difficult it would be to replace it. Here in Canada it's Thanksgiving weekend and no shops are open for me to request for a quote. If the task can be performed by me, I'm willing to do the work myself. My insurance has $1000 deductible so unless the quote goes way over, that's not a route I'd like to take.

Thanks


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Old 10-13-2013, 05:21 PM   #2
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Ouch!

I can almost guarantee that's going to be over $1000 in repairs.

To do it yourself you'd need to buy the whole door ($700) and pay for the paint. To save money and just buy the skin, you're looking at a decent bit of labour to swap it over to the original shell and then the body work and paint on top of that.
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I was backed into, and had to have the outer skin replaced on my '08 Focus. The total bill came close to $1500.


Pro tip: Next time chock the tires any time you're working on the car.
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Car won't break if the engine is off.... Any car.
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Car won't break if the engine is off.... Any car.
Technically if you slam on the brakes even without vacuum assist the car would stop, but only if you actually used the pedal.

However if you have a manual, or even a DCT in neutral and not park and release the hand brake the rear calipers are released from their duties to hold the rotors in place, and the front brakes are not applied either, then the car would roll forwards or backwards depending on the slope.

Seems like bad luck for the O.P. though, that door is mangled.
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Yeah i have a 5MT. So basically I had engine off, neutral, and released parking brake and DID expect the car to roll backwards.

When the car started rolling I stepped on brake pedal expecting the car to stop. However it didn't. I had to use the parking brake and the car did stop, although too late.
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Yeah i have a 5MT. So basically I had engine off, neutral, and released parking brake and DID expect the car to roll backwards.

When the car started rolling I stepped on brake pedal expecting the car to stop. However it didn't. I had to use the parking brake and the car did stop, although too late.
That's 'cause the ABS break system only works with the engine on
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That's 'cause the ABS break system only works with the engine on
Ummm... No. You just have to push the pedal harder without the power assist.




OP, sucks to see. The door skin is not something anyone outside a professional shop should try to learn on. You can either try to get lucky at the junkyard, same color, etc. Might make it out for $200-$300 on a good day.

You'll have to pull the harness out of the old door and route it into the new one. You'll save some cash leaving the panel and switches with the junkyard as well.

GL with the repair.
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Ummm... No. You just have to push the pedal harder without the power assist.




OP, sucks to see. The door skin is not something anyone outside a professional shop should try to learn on. You can either try to get lucky at the junkyard, same color, etc. Might make it out for $200-$300 on a good day.

You'll have to pull the harness out of the old door and route it into the new one. You'll save some cash leaving the panel and switches with the junkyard as well.

GL with the repair.
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ABS is 'designed to fail'. If ABS is not on, or has failed completely, the brakes will still work in non-ABS mode.

However, it will take a LOT of pressure, or perhaps some pumping, to get them to work with the engine off, because there is no vacuum for the engine booster.
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Car won't break if the engine is off.... Any car.
Car WILL brake if the engine is off... Any car.

Fixed that for you.

You might have to pump the pedal, and you'll certainly need to press the pedal with purpose, but the brakes are designed to work no matter what. It's a hydraulic system in which all of the pieces are physically connected, so that nothing short of cutting the lines (or putting air in them) will cause the system not to work.

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