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Old 10-20-2013, 01:21 AM   #1
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Thinking of buying a car with issues...Advice Please!!!

I went and looked at an 03 SVT Focus EAP today. The car has 206k on the clock, but the guy makes a 90 mile highway round trip to work, and has owned it since 06. The car is pretty clean, interior is in great shape, new tires. Now on to the issue. I searched, but didn't find a post with this issue, where the person actually came back to tell what fixed it...

When you start the car, it idles a little high just like it should. After a couple of minutes, the idle drops down. Shortly after that it starts to stumble for about 20-30 seconds then dies. It took a few tries to start again after that. Out on the road, it drives fine. Cruises well, and feels strong under WOT. When I turned around, I stopped for a bit in a parking lot, and let it idle, and sure enough it went back to stumbling. I blipped the throttle and it quit. I went to pull onto the road again, and it bogged as I tried to accelerate. I let off, and tried again and it bogged again. I pulled to the side, blipped the throttle a few times, and off it went. Once again, it drove great all the way back. I have a bluetooth OBDII module, and the CEL was on. I checked it, and it had a bank1 sensor 1 lean code.

The owner says he has replaced the 02 sensor. Does this sound like a vacuum leak, PCV, fuel filter, MAF, TPS, or something else?

The car has high miles, but it is $1500 cheaper than any other SVTF I have found, and I have been looking for nearly a month. I would like to buy this car, and don't have any trouble working on it. I can put anything back together if I take it apart. I just want to make sure you all don't think it something more serious, and if I do buy it, where to start looking first.

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Old 10-20-2013, 09:19 AM   #2
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if I were you I would start by cleaning the IAC..... its located on the back of the intake manifold... its a bit of a hassle to get in but not impossible. 2 screws, not super tight.... dont drop them, you'll spend more time finding them than you will trying to get the thing out!

I've replaced like 4 TPS' and can tell you that issues with the TPS are very apparant. Start the car and it'll rev to the sky OR rev very
high... yea, sounds like this one has to do with a "closed loop" idle problem..... once it enters closed loop it fails. If the IAC is clogged or getting sticky it won't be able to open (or open fast enough) when the car enters idle..... thus not letting air through causing the car to stumble and eventually die. Thats my guess..... Check out that IAC! Upon failing that (due to the codes) maybe have the owner maybe replace BOTH sensors at the same time? or you do it? www.rockauto.com has very cheap ones (like $30ish) and they're pretty easy to replace...

doesn't sound like spark plugs or fuel filter or anything like that... if it was a fuel delivery problem it wouldn't idle fine when you first started it nor would it drive good at WOT. WOT + Fuel delivery problems = stumbly WOT.... PCV could be checked.... its super easy to get to and costs under $5 to change. It's on the right side of the motor near the thermostat housing. I've had the little 90degree elbow hose break on me which caused issues also. (I've since removed PCV all together and have moved to an oil catch can).

I really want to say IAC so check that one out.... I recall seeing a writeup about cleaning it in the HOW TO archive on here. Good luck with your purchase!
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:51 AM   #3
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I went and looked at an 03 SVT Focus EAP today. The car has 206k on the clock, but the guy makes a 90 mile highway round trip to work, and has owned it since 06. The car is pretty clean, interior is in great shape, new tires. Now on to the issue. I searched, but didn't find a post with this issue, where the person actually came back to tell what fixed it...

When you start the car, it idles a little high just like it should. After a couple of minutes, the idle drops down. Shortly after that it starts to stumble for about 20-30 seconds then dies. It took a few tries to start again after that. Out on the road, it drives fine. Cruises well, and feels strong under WOT. When I turned around, I stopped for a bit in a parking lot, and let it idle, and sure enough it went back to stumbling. I blipped the throttle and it quit. I went to pull onto the road again, and it bogged as I tried to accelerate. I let off, and tried again and it bogged again. I pulled to the side, blipped the throttle a few times, and off it went. Once again, it drove great all the way back. I have a bluetooth OBDII module, and the CEL was on. I checked it, and it had a bank1 sensor 1 lean code.

The owner says he has replaced the 02 sensor. Does this sound like a vacuum leak, PCV, fuel filter, MAF, TPS, or something else?
I would like to buy this car, and don't have any trouble working on it. I can put anything back together if I take it apart.
Seems that you actually do.
None of us can see the car so we'd simply respond with the typical 'it could be xxx' responses. Bring it to a certified mechanic and have them look it over.
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Old 10-21-2013, 04:59 PM   #5
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A car with issues is like a car with issues.
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I know SVTs are hard to find... but typically if there is one obvious issues, it is an indication of how the car was taken care of. Either it is a minor issue and the owner just never cared enough about the care to get it fixed, or it is a major issue that the can't or don't want to fix.

To me, either is a warning sign about the car. Sometimes you can't pass up a great deal, but I would assume going in that there is a lot more wrong with the car than meets the eye.

I second the suggestion to take it to a mechanic. But even then, I would be wary of other issues that may surface down the road.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:29 PM   #7
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No way would I buy (or date) anything with "issues", never mind any vehicle with that mileage on it. Move on.
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Old 11-22-2013, 12:00 AM   #8
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I forgot to come back and update.. I bought the car. Took me 15 minutes and a can of carb cleaner to diagnose it. PCV was cracked. New one fixed the problem. I now had $2409 in a perfectly fine running car. I have since replaced the timing belt, tensioner, and idler, for peace of mind. Changed the plugs and put a double din, touch screen Clarion in with the factory sub and steering controls hooked up. I also polished and sealed the factory HIDs.

So far I love the car. It's fun to drive. So here are a couple of pics from the day I picked it up.



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Old 11-22-2013, 06:08 AM   #9
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More power to ya bro!

Feel your way around the SVT Performance forum and see what things you can look for in the future as far as possible issues. I know I'd advise you to check that IMRC clip, some people call it the DSI clip (intake manifold runner control, and dual stage intake respectively). I don't own an SVT, so I don't know what it looks like.

Now you know one of the reasons I liked Fords when I was buying used cars- usually simple issues that people freak out on. If it was a VW or something, they'd think it was normal. When it's a Ford you get "OMG it's going to explode tomorrow! Sell today!"
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Good deal on a nice car, glad it worked out for you!
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