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Old 10-02-2013, 02:54 PM   #61
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Cool, that's good to know. As someone asked earlier, is one of tunes loaded on the tuner the stock tune, for when the vehicle is being taken in for service?
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I am interested in this, but I am concerned over the factory warranty implications. Does this tune void the warranty? Can the factory tune be reflashed in the event some warranty work needs to be performed and if so can they tell that a tune has been performed?

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Not to be a pest but 2 pages no response to this. Anyone have any insight to warranty concerns?
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Not to be a pest but 2 pages no response to this. Anyone have any insight to warranty concerns?
Usually it saves the stock tune so that you can reflash. And once you reflash back to stock, they have no way to tell it was ever flashed.
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And even if you take it for an oil change or something like that, they wouldnt tell, unless they do something with the ecu, there really is no way they can tell something has been flashed or not
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Usually it saves the stock tune so that you can reflash. And once you reflash back to stock, they have no way to tell it was ever flashed.
That's not exactly true, Ford most certainly can determine if the car was ever re-flashed outside of their records, although your average dealership likely won't bother unless instructed to by Ford for warranty service to the Engine or Transmission.

Ford has issued several bulletins to dealers relating to modifications made to the 3.5 L V6 EcoBoost and the 5.0 L Ti-VCT V8 engines in the past few years in relation to damage caused to improper aftermarket calibrations, or other tampering to the engine that instruct the dealers upon how to determine this if the car came in for engine or transmission problems.

Now that being said it's less likely that the dealer would poke into the computer just for an oil change.
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havoc I was also curious about that. See now, papaacer, I can't remember where, but I've read somewhere that they could tell if the ECU (is PCM an equivalent term?) was altered in any way. I'll have to do some searching. Although I'm tempted to make the purchase. I feel comfortable with Tom's tune that there is extremely low risk involved, and the warranty issue should never come up. Except that if something were to have occurred regardless of tune in the first place.

Edit: Looks like suss6052 has some of that info I was looking for.
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That's not exactly true, Ford most certainly can determine if the car was ever re-flashed outside of their records, although your average dealership likely won't bother unless instructed to by Ford for warranty service to the Engine or Transmission.

Ford has issued several bulletins to dealers relating to modifications made to the 3.5 L V6 EcoBoost and the 5.0 L Ti-VCT V8 engines in the past few years in relation to damage caused to improper aftermarket calibrations, or other tampering to the engine that instruct the dealers upon how to determine this if the car came in for engine or transmission problems.

Now that being said it's less likely that the dealer would poke into the computer just for an oil change.
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Cool, that's good to know. As someone asked earlier, is one of tunes loaded on the tuner the stock tune, for when the vehicle is being taken in for service?
Once you load a tune to your Foci the stock tune/file is kept in the xcal to be load back any time needed , you can also download a copy and keep in on your PC

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So I did some digging and it seems that the way Ford looks for tuning modifications is by checking the computer and looking for physical signs of damage. Unusual wear on the pistons, etc etc. Although I have yet to find a tsb specifically for this generation focus that explains this. Just going off of other recent tsb's that I found. I figure if the problem isn't due to the mod, they would never notice. If it is, then you're sol. If I got this tune, I'd want a way to flash the original tune back if necessary and a custom tune focused on safety.
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Not to be a pest but 2 pages no response to this. Anyone have any insight to warranty concerns?
I missed it before , Warranty is a tuff one , if you ask Ford ANY tune can void your warranty according to the Ford Engineers I have talked to Ford has no way at the dealerships to tell if a tune is loaded , has been loaded or how many times a tune has been loaded

Where many get caught is they leave the the xcal in the car and Ford finds it

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