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Old 08-05-2013, 03:12 PM   #1
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Wax question...why is some so expensive?

I'm just curious.I see some car waxes that I consider very expensive and then some that I think are just insane. I see some in the 40 -60 dollar range and some even more...I just saw one that was over 800 dollars....

They all claim to have high carnauba content,. well 2 things. First I get get a pound of carnauba wax for like 10 bucks and second its so hard that you need a high speed wheel to get it to melt, which would destroy your paint.


So what is it they they are actually putting in these waxes to make them so expensive? My answer would be R&D but even that can only cost so much.

I think the real answer is because they can.



What all that what is a good wax that isn't outrageously priced.....


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Most of it is R&D with another chunk based off of supply and import taxes.

Those $800 waxes are produced in extremely limited quantities based on the processes and rare materials used to create it. They're typically foreign made and need to be imported for sale.

Turtle wax is $4 because it's just spit & candles. Easy to produce and available everywhere.
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What rare materials though, no one ever explains it? They make it sound like its the carnauba wax that makes them so expensive but thats actually pretty cheap. I have no problem spending money to get a better quality product, buy as a company they need to be able to justify that extra expense to me. Saying its made in limited quantities buy some guy 4 times a year, in a climate controlled shack using a 500 year old secret recipe passed down to them by Henry Ford himself doesn't cut it. <-----totally made up, I need something tangible to justify the expense and I can't find anything that does that.

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There is no justification for such expensive waxes , they charge such high prices because there is always an idiot that will pay it , I use a variety of different ones based on local availability and have found that my car looks just as shiny no matter which I use
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If the guys who made $800 wax listed their ingredients, they'd go out of business pretty quick.

For reference, here are some typical ingredients used in automotive waxes:
-Carnauba wax is a hard wax obtained from the leaves of a Brazilian palm tree which produces a glassy shine. Carnauba based waxes must be reapplied frequently in order to maintain shine.
-Beeswax is a durable wax found in honeycombs and used in car wax formulas to provide a protective barrier.
-Natural oils, such as linseed oil, are emollients use to provide added shine, luster, and protection, to the painted surface.
-Synthetic wax can be created from certain plastics or silicones and is used primarily in auto paint sealants. These waxes are considerably more durable than carnauba wax but produce far less shine.
-Petroleum distillates are solvents derived from crude oil that make the wax easier to spread and to clean the paint.
-Resins and polymers are plastic like substances that adhere to the paint surface offering longer lasting protection than wax. They are most frequently found in auto paint sealants.
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Like 1.2 million dollar cars, and $250,000 watches.. A market exists.
I personally love Zymol. The smell is great.
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If the guys who made $800 wax listed their ingredients, they'd go out of business pretty quick.

For reference, here are some typical ingredients used in automotive waxes:
-Carnauba wax is a hard wax obtained from the leaves of a Brazilian palm tree which produces a glassy shine. Carnauba based waxes must be reapplied frequently in order to maintain shine.
-Beeswax is a durable wax found in honeycombs and used in car wax formulas to provide a protective barrier.
-Natural oils, such as linseed oil, are emollients use to provide added shine, luster, and protection, to the painted surface.
-Synthetic wax can be created from certain plastics or silicones and is used primarily in auto paint sealants. These waxes are considerably more durable than carnauba wax but produce far less shine.
-Petroleum distillates are solvents derived from crude oil that make the wax easier to spread and to clean the paint.
-Resins and polymers are plastic like substances that adhere to the paint surface offering longer lasting protection than wax. They are most frequently found in auto paint sealants.
I understand they can't give ingredients but I need something more than its got the highest content of this and that...especially when this and that isnt that expensive to begin with.

I see nothing there that would make 8 ounces of wax cost 100+ dollars...50....maybe considering a lot of research and development but I would think the synthetic waxes would come in around that price point.

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Like 1.2 million dollar cars, and $250,000 watches.. A market exists.
I personally love Zymol. The smell is great.
Kind of what I figured..

I've seen Zymol and thought about trying it, but I've read that the application is a bit of work....
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IMO , Zymol is no harder to apply and remove than most waxes . I like Liquid Glass and If I can find it anywhere , the old Blue Coral . Blue Coral is one where you can actually build up wax.....coat upon coat . And it lasts , but the last few times I bought it it was from eBay or Amazon....don`t believe it`s produced anymore .
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I've been looking at Adams stuff, looks good but its a tad on the expensive side and also Chemical Guys stuff


any other recommendations?
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I've had great success with Zaino products. Zaino is a compounded polymer sealant that you mix up right before you use it (mix a few drops of activator with the polish) and you have ~ 6 hours to use it before it hardens. The greatest thing about Zaino is that it is cumulative...every coat you put on adds to the protection and shine. It has very good UV protectants and really keeps the paint in good condition. It also lasts about 6 months before it starts to degrade. I have been using it exclusively for the last 13 years and my car's paint looks showroom new after years in the hot Florida sun. You can only buy it online or from a Zaino rep (not in stores). It is pricier than the usual store bought, but not outrageous.

No, I am not a Zaino rep or spokesperson...just really like the stuff.

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