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Old 07-23-2013, 06:16 AM   #11
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Personally IMO the problem with the Focus DCT is sloppy QC and nothing to do with design.
If the trannies were made in Germany none of this stuff would be an issue.
With such a high tech tranny they source it out to Mexico, and then did not install the QC necessary to make certain the tranny would be good 100% of the time.
Ford paid for that lazyness trust me.
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:45 AM   #12
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i think the same could be said with their release of MFT

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Personally IMO the problem with the Focus DCT is sloppy QC and nothing to do with design.
If the trannies were made in Germany none of this stuff would be an issue.
With such a high tech tranny they source it out to Mexico, and then did not install the QC necessary to make certain the tranny would be good 100% of the time.
Ford paid for that lazyness trust me.
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:58 AM   #13
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I drive the following cars regularly: Acura MDX, Mazda 3, Honda Fit and Ford Focus.

The 3 and mdx are > 5-6 years old. Whenever I drive one of those other autos, I am instantly annoyed now.

Yes the DCT has its quirks. But it's more fun to drive overall than an auto tranny. We get used to how fast the DCT shifts and how much more like a manual it feels and we forget how much auto transmissions suck balls (besides being insanely expensive to replace).

Stick to the DCT, get it fixed.
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:29 PM   #14
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Personally IMO the problem with the Focus DCT is sloppy QC and nothing to do with design.
If the trannies were made in Germany none of this stuff would be an issue.
With such a high tech tranny they source it out to Mexico, and then did not install the QC necessary to make certain the tranny would be good 100% of the time.
Ford paid for that lazyness trust me.
/agreed.

Could go either way at this point. On the one hand if it was QC, then Ford should have resolved that issue for the 2nd year. The fact that the DCT is still having issues into year 2 doesn't bode well for it just being a QC issue or just a bad choice for using x part supplier.

However, I'm not overly confident about anything that is made in Mexico. The automobile is the 2nd most expensive thing many people will ever purchase, and it is THE most complicated piece of machinery that many people will ever purchase. So having it assembled in Mexico. Well, heh, I remember the Beetle's with their side mirrors literally falling off the cars while driving down the road, the clear-coat peeling issues and all the other problems they had.
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Old 07-28-2013, 03:56 PM   #15
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I know the stamped parts for the DCT are made in Ohio then shipped to Mexico for assembly per Gertec.Years ago LUK USA was working on a wet clutch and Germany was working on the dry clutch.The wet clutch seemed to have a buyer then faded and went away.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:04 PM   #16
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No, they shouldn't abandon what will likely be the mainstream transmission of the future. They're more efficient and faster shifting then planetary gearboxes...it would be a huge mistake to leave that technology behind due to teething problems...especially when other automakers will continue to develop the tech and eventually release an extremely refined product. Let's remember that the planetary gearbox has been around for a LONG time and as such has had plenty of time for improvements to be made. At some point in the future, dual clutch gearboxes will perform very well and be extremely reliable.

Also, as they become more popular, people will get used to how they operate and complaints not related to to inherent "quirks" of a DCT will disappear. Right now many issues people have with these gearboxes are related to their operation and the differences in how the vehicle drives with it versus something with a torque converter...and actual defects in the product are not too numerous (although still present in some cases).

Also, I feel that the hardware side of it is likely fine, but the software is what needs to be developed. DCT software is likely new ground for a lot of companies, and even those who have been developing it since it first started there still hasn't been a ton of time to make everything super refined.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:03 PM   #17
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Ford Europe began offering the "dry" clutch Powershift mated to the 1.6L Ti-VCT 125hp engine with the MK3 Focus, about one year after the MK3 Focus launched.
Then later on began offering it "dry" clutch Powershift in the Fiesta 1.6L Ti-VCT 105hp.

Ford Europe has stated that they will offer the "dry" clutch Powershift in the Fiesta 1.0L 125hp Ecoboost, but not in the Focus 1.0L 125hp Ecoboost.

Both Ford and VW's dry dual clutch transmissions are getting a lot of negative feedback from owners. VW complaints are coming from all its global markets were it offers its dry dual clutch DSG, whereas Ford is getting (at least from my research) the majority of its negative feedback from North America owners.

Ford is developing a new "wet" dual clutch for low torque applications for the Asian market, and my gut tells me that we will see the dry clutch fad away in the sunset in the not too distant future.

Unless the designers can figure out a way to deal with thermal management issues,(which is the issue IMO) with the dry dual clutch trannies.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:50 PM   #18
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This is what GM is thinking to try to get a more user friendly dry dual clutch
http://drivelinenews.com/transmissio...converter-dct/

Ford is working on a very complexed cooling system to deal with the thermal issues.


If you are really interested in the research being done on dry dual clutch systems you can pay for research papers at papers.sae.org.

It is obvious that the dry dual clutch transmissions are a big cost saver for the auto makers, by the research going on to make these transmissions feel and act like what the North American consumers expects from a so called automatic transmission

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Old 07-28-2013, 07:27 PM   #19
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The real question is if Ford, VW and whomever else abandons DCT, what will they switch to? It is clear that a torque converter transmission is not as fuel efficient.

I think Ford should stick with DCT just like Honda and Nissan stuck with the CVT. If you recall, that transmission was bashed like nothing else. However, the driving public got used to it. I suspect in time the same will happen with the DCT.
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They can keep coming out with whatever crap they want to as long as a standard manual transmission is still an option. I don't want anything to do with the drive-by-wire, weird transmission, electric steering, etc.
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