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Old 07-21-2013, 10:12 PM   #21
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Update:

Knocking is Gone, I took it for a drive; Have Full power still and no CEL.
I consider my self Lucky, but its too early to say.

to anyone who ever has this problem. Try the Vacuum Trick, if not try using a bore scope and getting it with small pliers or tape on a hose... Anything before having to take the Head off, although I would of took the Head off, but I had no Gasket, and all stores were closed but that would of been the Last Resort.
I would never Recommend to just 'try it' and hope for the best...

When I started it for the first time, It was idling ruff, and I thought it was done. Eventually after what felt like Minutes, the Knocking Stopped and it was idling normal. Thank you all for your help!

On the bright side, i also changed my oil and I Fixed my Speedometer by replacing the Speed Sensor in the Transmission.
But thank you everyone!
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:02 AM   #22
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So I have one last question,
What kind of damage would it of done? And what should I look for. Its not burning oil, no smoke.

And although the knock is pretty much gone (still has a faint knock), could it still be in there?
Or should I just not worry about it?

Just want to make sure I'm good.
Thanks!

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Old 07-22-2013, 11:31 AM   #23
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The ceramic will just bounce around if your lucky. But it will still cause damage by scratching cylinder walls, similar to putting a piece of broken glass in your mouth it will cut "scratch" you everywhere. Worse case it will get stuck between a valve causing it to stay open, when your piston comes up it will bend and possibly break the valve. Your knocking may be the valve hitting the piston. Some damage has already been done I would suggest looking into engine and get it out before it completely degrades your engine.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:39 AM   #24
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Watch to see if you have any oil consumption issues as that would indicate that the rings or cylinder walls were damaged allowing oil blow-by. A key indicator of severe damage would be smoky exhaust.

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Old 07-22-2013, 12:07 PM   #25
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Poor poor car. The knock tells you everything. Lack of patience and ability again leaps to the forefront. Could've rolled engine to where valves were all shut and repeatedly fired compressed air jet in cylinder with piston maybe 1/2" down to eventually have piece end up in center where it could be seen and grabbed with claw grabber tool. Or maybe punched lightly with small punch into smaller pieces and then blasted out with air again.

Cylinder wall not your problem there, rather the piston, it's aluminum and far weaker than the iron walls are. The knocking probably the piston decks getting smashed with dents. The piston edge if impacted is now damaged and a chunk of ring land will always have the chance of coming loose. You should look at the SPI piston damage when a valve seat lets go, this won't be as bad but could still easily be as fatal. Pistons in some ways are just as brittle as the plug ceramic.

Every spark plug on earth can break like this, there is no difference in quality at all in the ceramic, the difference is leaning sideways on the socket, or not using proper center foam insert socket.
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:26 PM   #26
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...Well it's obviously built ford tough I guess...
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Poor poor car. The knock tells you everything. Lack of patience and ability again leaps to the forefront. Could've rolled engine to where valves were all shut and repeatedly fired compressed air jet in cylinder with piston maybe 1/2" down to eventually have piece end up in center where it could be seen and grabbed with claw grabber tool. Or maybe punched lightly with small punch into smaller pieces and then blasted out with air again.

Cylinder wall not your problem there, rather the piston, it's aluminum and far weaker than the iron walls are. The knocking probably the piston decks getting smashed with dents. The piston edge if impacted is now damaged and a chunk of ring land will always have the chance of coming loose. You should look at the SPI piston damage when a valve seat lets go, this won't be as bad but could still easily be as fatal. Pistons in some ways are just as brittle as the plug ceramic.

Every spark plug on earth can break like this, there is no difference in quality at all in the ceramic, the difference is leaning sideways on the socket, or not using proper center foam insert socket.
So how long would I have until I start noticing ? And ill post a video of the knock / tick Later tonight
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So how long would I have until I start noticing ? And ill post a video of the knock / tick Later tonight
You definitely pounded the ceramic pieces into the piston/cylinder head. I'd give it a month. You could always take the head off and look for yourself though to see if the damage was significant
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You definitely pounded the ceramic pieces into the piston/cylinder head. I'd give it a month. You could always take the head off and look for yourself though to see if the damage was significant
Alright, so in a month I'll either blow my engine or start seeing signs. Any chance i wont? I will upload a video of my engine , and will take my head off when I get time next week to do so.
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Alright, so in a month I'll either blow my engine or start seeing signs. Any chance i wont? I will upload a video of my engine , and will take my head off when I get time next week to do so.
Unlikley, you will at least notice your car drinking oil like hell. Keep an eye on it or you really will sieze your engine, almost literally welding your pistons to the cylinder. Not pretty or cheap!

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