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Old 07-08-2013, 11:17 PM   #11
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Thanks guys, guess I'm going tire shopping!

if I go with 225 40 R17, would I worry about any rubbing issues? I'm only lowered on H&R Sport.
Chunking your a/s huh. You find a couple of tires w/ that size & there track tires. I'd be looking at your camber adjustment. You had to feel the push.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:36 AM   #12
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the low hight /width ratio ( furter AR for Aspect Ratio)of your tires makes them more sensitive for alighnment.
A camber angle of say 1 degree gives more percentage of one sidewall to deflect more then the other. so best is to alighn with camber angle as less as possible , mayby a bit lower then prescribed.

But this kind of damage, especially to the front wheels I also had , and they alligned the front train ( only front can be aligned at my car) was given less too in . See under here what I mean seen from above.
/-\ front
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The camber was ok only this did it , from wich I dont know the name.
Now I have new tires the oldest after 10000miles swiched to the back and new front wich now 5000m furter and no unequall wear.
So you cant get them of the car , as someone wrote, because the car has to be aligned too, and they cant do that at your home.

Camber angle is seen from the back or front /-\ instead of |-| .
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:30 AM   #13
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Also, next time you have the car jacked up, pull back the fender liner on your rears. Get a file or a grinder out and remove some of the metal where the rear bumper and fender join. That portion sticks out into the path where the tire travels on hard turns, grinding will help some...ive had to do it as well

If you see in your picture here, you are rubbing there(hole in the fender liner area):
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:54 AM   #14
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Steel belts showing = time for new tires! You need more camber and much better tires with stiffer sidewalls. I also suggest not pushing the car into a turn so hard when on cheapo tires.
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Old 07-09-2013, 04:31 PM   #15
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The reason I pushed it on these budget tires is because I am still a lapping novice, so I thought it would be better to learn on tires with less adhesion than go all out on my first day.

Rambleon, I really don't think I'm rubbing. I would have heard something, right? No rubbing sounds to speak of.

My left tires are in a lot worse shape than my right. My track is predominantly right high speed corners, especially the first sweeper that is about 80-90 km/h at the exit. I'm certain that's what did it.

I already have camber bolts/plates and plan on getting some extra camber, and just ordered a set of ZII's. Let's hope I don't chew through these as well
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Higher speed rated tires avail. these days have less tread to start with, which along with the different compound will reduce the chunking.

"Shaving" tires to a lower tread depth used to be the solution, excess tread just gets hot & chunks off resulting in LESS mileage than if you started with thinner tread to begin with.

If those A/S tires had been worn to a lower tread depth they would have lasted better, even with the poorer compound for the purpose.

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Higher speed rated tires avail. these days have less tread to start with, which along with the different compound will reduce the chunking.

"Shaving" tires to a lower tread depth used to be the solution, excess tread just gets hot & chunks off resulting in LESS mileage than if you started with thinner tread to begin with.

If those A/S tires had been worn to a lower tread depth they would have lasted better, even with the poorer compound for the purpose.

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Agreed, the way tires are designed these days the only time you really need to shave a tire is when you want to go fast and go fast now, and an all-season would never help you with that. Most summer tires that are meant to be driven on the track come with 7 or 8/32nd's. You combine that with a sticky compound and proper shoulder design and they will let you go laps and laps with no problems.

Make sure you let us know how you like the ZII's, I think you'll be happy.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:38 PM   #18
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Make sure you let us know how you like the ZII's, I think you'll be happy.
Thanks for the great customer service.

Got the tires mounted. Only driven lightly on the street for a couple days, but I can already tell they grip like mad. No more 2nd gear chirps.

So it turns out the camber plates don't work so well, and I'm not comfortable having them on my car. So I'll be running the stock set-up for a while/forever. I wonder if the reinforced sidewalls of these tires, plus enough tire pressure, is enough of a preventative from screwing up these tires too.

I'll update on how they handle on the track.
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could be. i'd also take a jack and cycle your suspension. jsut to see if you are rubbing in oneplace or another. it can only help to do some mild fender rolling/ pulling. as for hearing it rub on teh all seasons, probably wouldnt ahve been able to past the tire squeal
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I'm not sure what this means.

There is no way I was rubbing with the old tires. 205/45/17 with a ~1.1" drop, alignment within factory spec.

I'm getting very very mild rubbing now with the Dunlop 215s, but it's only rubbing against the plastic part of the wheel well where it meets the metal lip. I'll try and roll it a bit and see if it helps.
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